The Trinity...?

Question

Jesus is not the holy spirit. Jesus is god. The holy spirit is god. Shouldn't it then follow that Jesus is the holy spirit? If A is C and B is C, then A is B. It could be modified that Jesus and the holy spirit are parts of god, or that Jesus is a god and the holy spirit is another god, but it has always been taught that Jesus is god and the holy spirit is god. How is this not contradictory?

Yes, your hand and head are a PART of you. That is exactly the point. So Jesus was a PART of god. So, Jesus = God, would be false.

Water is a form of H2O, Ice is a form of H2O, so Jesus is a form of god, and the Holy spirit is a form of god. That would be a better way of putting it.

Answer 1

Water is H2O, Ice is H2O, Steam is H2O.
Water is not ice, ice is not steam, steam is not water.

There is time past, time present, and time future.

The past is not the present, the future is not the past, the present is not the future.
But they are all time.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Answer 2

‘But isn’t Jesus called a god in the Bible?’ someone may ask. This is true. Yet Satan is also called a god. (2 Corinthians 4:4) At John 1:1, which refers to Jesus as “the Word,” some Bible translations say: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But notice, verse 2 says that the Word was “in the beginning with God.” And while men have seen Jesus, verse 18 says that “no man hath seen God at any time.” (Authorized or King James Version) So we find that some translations of verse 1 give the correct idea of the original language when they read: “The Word was with God, and the Word was divine,” or was “a god,” that is, the Word was a powerful godlike one. (An American Translation) Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God. In fact, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”

Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” And he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God, he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact, following Jesus’ death, the Scripture says: “This Jesus God resurrected.” (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are clearly two separate persons. Even after his death and resurrection and ascension to heaven, Jesus was still not equal to his Father.


As for the “Holy Spirit,” the so-called third Person of the Trinity, this is not a person but God’s active force. John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. (Matthew 3:11) What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” (Acts 2:4) Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force. Thus the facts make clear that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Actually, long before Jesus walked the earth gods were worshiped in groups of three, or trinities, in places such as ancient Egypt and Babylon.

Answer 3

I'm so confused by this question, I hardly know how to address it. It's ALL fraught with contradictions. You said Jesus is not the holy spirit, Jesus is god. The holy spirit is god. How, then, do you come to the "logical conclusion" that Jesus is the holy spirit? If Jesus is the holy spirit, & the holy spirit is god, (logically) why wouldn't Jesus be god? I feel like I'm back in grade school--if Mary lives 15 miles away from Dave, & Dave lives 20 miles away from Joe, & Joe lives 5 miles away from Mary....I CAN'T STAND IT!

Edit: Just a note on "huh"...No, Jesus wasn't praying to himself as he hung on the cross. As I recall, the last Jesus is claimed to have cried out was something VERY close to this: "Oh Father, why has't thou forsaken me?" Think about that.

Answer 4

There were groups of people in early Christianity who believed Jesus was a man consumed by the holy spirit.

The church now believes God is manifested in the father, son and holy spirit. They are God in 3 persons.

Answer 5

Man was created in the likeness of God. Man has a Soul (God), a spirit (the Holy Spirit) and a body (Jesus). Although a man has a spirit soul and body, he is still one man right?

Its the same with God. God has a spirit soul and body and we know them separately as God the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus.............. but He is still one God.

Answer 6

God the Father is the person, His words are Jesus Christ and the spirit within is Holy sprirt. One in three and three in one. If u still do not understand ask God to reveal this.

Answer 7

The Trinity is God, the Father, His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Each is an individual entity, but are of one purpose, whereas The Trinity.
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 7: 6


Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like adove upon him, and a voice came from heaven , which said, Thou are my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. St. Luke 3: 21-22

Also just before Jesus was betrayed in the Garden, he said, " O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.. Was he taking to himself. On the cross he looked up and said "Into thy hands I commend my spirit." was he talking to himself then, too??? He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Was he calling out to himself???

Answer 8

And who said Jesus isnt the Holy Spirit? 1 John 5:7-8 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Answer 9

I love to see how this concept is rationalized I once seen some one write 1+1+1 = 1 (lol)
Here please seek true guidance

[005:072] Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "God is the Messiah ['Îsâ (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Îsâ (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with God, then God has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong doers) there are no helpers.

[005:073] Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "God is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no diety who has the right to be worshipped) but One God. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them.

[005:074] Will they not turn with repentance to God and ask His forgiveness? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[005:075] The Messiah ['Îsâ (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddîqah [i.e. she believed in the Words of God and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while God does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them; yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).

[005:076] Say (O Muhammad [Peace Be Upon Him] to mankind): "How do you worship besides God something which has no power either to harm or benefit you? But it is God Who is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

I have forwarded to you what God has revealed in the Qu'ran. May God guide you the straight path.

Peace Be Unto You

Answer 10

Your thinking is near to the truth. but you have stumbled over your own Ideas.
The CREATOR of ALL THINGS is the HOLY SPIRIT. AND it made the SOULS of ALL that WAS and WILL BE from ITS OWN BODY before the creation of the physical universe.
Thus the story of the war in Heaven started.
Each of us has a soul that is a facet of the CREATOR by whatever name your Religion wants to call IT.So we are all children of the CREATOR.
The Idea of a trinity was taken from the Pagan Religion as was most of their rights and rituals to try and get them to convert to Christianity. Their Religion is rife with three fold GODS and GODDESS.
The CHRISTIAN RELIGION has made a mess of its self by trying to adopt the Religious ideas of many Religions to try and increase their Congregations.