So, why is it ok that evolution proves evolution but I cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible again?

Question

So where is the so-called evidence for evolution? Not in the biology textbooks used in the public schools! Aren't there any legitimate evidences for the theory? Why do we have to imagine macro-evolution happening "long ago and far away..."? Could undirected natural processes alone assemble the intricate structures found within living cells? Can chemistry alone account for the origin of life on earth? What is the origin of the genetic information encoded in living organisms? Until evolutionists come up with real answers to these fundamental questions, Darwinian evolution should be kept in philosophy textbooks where it belongs and taken out of biology textbooks where, tragically, it has become entrenched.

"Theologians generally are delighted with the proof that the universe had a beginning, but astronomers are curiously upset. It turns out that the scientist behaves the way the rest of us do when our beliefs are in conflict with the evidence"

astrow went on to say, "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." (God and the Astronomers, p. 116.) It seems the Cosmic Egg that was the birth of our universe logically requires a Cosmic Chicken...

Sorry its long, but its good stuff!!

Answer 1

well we know that no matter what everything started from God, I think thats most important.

Answer 2

So where is the so-called evidence for evolution?
In the universities across the globe, in taxonomy and the chronological order of the fossil records which demonstrates the development of complexity from simple forms to more complex over time.

Not in the biology textbooks used in the public schools! Aren't there any legitimate evidences for the theory?
Absolutely, we use the theory to predict the evolution of flu's and pandemics. The theory led to the discover of DNA and all the discoveries that brought. It clarified that if your parent or grandparents have certain inheritable conditions, you have a good probability of getting it too. Diabetes, heart disease, certain cancers, and others are genetically linked. If you are concerned about inhereting any of these, you are in part believing in evolution--otherwise, there wouldn't be a reason for you to be scared. We've been using the theory to create new variations of plants and animals that are sold in grocery stores. Macro-evolution has been well documented now that we have had enough time from the discovery of evolution and accurate record taking, to the modern time.

Why do we have to imagine macro-evolution happening "long ago and far away..."?
Normally, because it is a process that takes more time than any human has. It is an intergenerational process, so in most large cases we can't witness it. No one person can directly monitor it, but several scientists have now documented it since we first recognized the phenomenon. Proof of macro evolution has been out there for years.

Could undirected natural processes alone assemble the intricate structures found within living cells?
Yes, progressively over time. Complexity is a naturally occuring pehomenon. Entropy gets displaced by chemical complexity as chemicals bond to lower their free energy causing more complex molecules to be formed. Once those non-living molecules become self-replicating, which we have witnessed happen decades ago, the molcules have a common objective, to continue to replicate. We know from computer simulation that self-organization and complexity occurs when 2 or more processes have specific directions and come to interface, which refers back to the simulations.

Can chemistry alone account for the origin of life on earth?
Yes, as described above.

What is the origin of the genetic information encoded in living organisms?
As explained, but also read "The Blind Watchmaker."

As too your fundamental question:
So, why is it ok that evolution proves evolution but I cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible again?

Evolution is backed up by MULTIPLE INDEPENDENT sources: tests, fossils, observations, etc. Validating something using science requires it. The Bible is a single, self-referential source. Evolution is not one book on a shelf. Science builds and questions the relevance of former theories as more evidence builds. Darwin is recognized by the science community as not being 100% correct, and more percise and correct theories have been developed particularly since the discovery of DNA. DNA changed how we looked at biology in general.

Answer 3

"Aren't there any legitimate evidences for the theory?"

Of course there are. You just close your eyes and pretend they don't exist:

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#proof
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html

"Why do we have to imagine macro-evolution happening "long ago and far away...?"

There is no such thing as "macro-evolution". This is a common straw man put up be Creationists trying to portray the change of one species into another as somehow instantanious. The physical evidence tells us that all evolutionary adaptations were gradual...over many generations. Eventually, under environmental pressure (among other things), a creature can mutate into something very different from its roots. Nothig magical about it: Just time and sex.


"Could undirected natural processes alone assemble the intricate structures found within living cells?"

Yes. Because "undirected" does not mean "random".

"Can chemistry alone account for the origin of life on earth?"

Pretty much. The process by which molocules became self-replicating molocules falls under the heading of chemestry. Evolution is only about life that results from that process.

"What is the origin of the genetic information encoded in living organisms?"

Trial and error. From simpler forms to more complex forms, billions of creatures have mutated and died. Organisms that developed better, more efficient systems for their environment survived long enough to reproduce. Creatures that were less efficient either died off or were bred out.

Answer 4

Evolution is a science. It does not "prove itself". It starts from evidence -- real, tangible evidence. The evidence led to the hypothesis that became a theory when new evidence predicted by the hypothesis was discovered.

The Bible says the Bible is true is meaningless circular argument, and is the best that Creationists can come up with since there is no evidence, just excuses for the lack.

Answer 5

In case you hadn't noticed, evolution is now a proven fact. The information content arises by natural selection, which weeds out inferior genetic combinations. Even without the proof, the evidence for evolution is so utterly overwhelming that it has been established science for a century. There is far too much that could be said to fit in this limited space, so I'll refer you to the reference, which is outstanding.

Answer 6

You've missed a few lessons in your education, David.

It's time to get back to learning again. You appear to believe that you already know everything there is to know and that's a dangerous attitude to take if you're still in need of growing.

One of the clearest arguments for evolution is that there are very few possibilities to challenge it, and those that do offer challenge are so far-fetched that they easily are set aside. One of those other possibilities is the deliverance of life onto this planet by beings of another planet. Another challenger is that "God" created life. Another is that life fell out of an unknown world to land on Earth the way meteors do.... and there are others.

David, stop arguing the case of creation - it just isn't true.

(And the big bang is generally viewed as an event of the universe rather than as the beginning of the universe... there is quite a difference there. Think about it before you go off on another useless crusade of defense.)

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Answer 7

Darwinian evolution is a theory, not a law, and it's one that's been modified since its origins. Scientific inquiry looks for physical, tangible evidence. Theologians can't offer any, and scientists can only offer some. It's not a debate we can settle here, that's for sure.

I for one believe the Bible is a book of stories and nothing more. Sure there is much wisdom in it, but it's still a book of stories.

Of course creationism isn't taught in public schools. Public schools don't exist to serve any religion. Private Christian and home schools exist for parents who think their kids should be taught in a religious fashion.

KEEP CREATIONISM OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS!

Answer 8

Being a Christian, I ought to believe what Yunus reported, concerning the Leviticus's Prohibition of beef. the recent testomony in the e book of Acts, shows to us that God gave the Apostle Peter a creative and prescient of each and every style of animals coming down in a Sheet; the Lord reported to Peter, "what the Lord has declared sparkling do no longer call unclean. there replaced into pigs in that sheet!

Answer 9

Evolution occurs in the Bible when the Old Testament becomes the New Testament. The Bible evolved out of the mind of man. God would not have it any other way.

Answer 10

Evolution is verified with the scientific method:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

quote:

"Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena and acquiring new knowledge, as well as for correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical, measurable evidence, subject to the principles of reasoning."

Answer 11

Wow!
I read your question: "So, why is it ok that evolution proves evolution but I cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible again?"

Let me try again to answer you this question.
You are trying to make sense out of the things man has conjured up and the truths that God has given us through His Word the Bible.

Everything that man does or thinks, falls short in every way when compared to the things of our Creator, YHVH. You know this.

Evolution is a theory written by man and has been tossed around for years, but to no end. That's what a theory is. An OPINION.

What methods are you using to try to prove the Word of God?

You can spend an eternity and get nowhere. Only God can open up the truths of the Word through His Holy Spirit. And guess what? It's free for the asking. But ask the right way.><>