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Why? Why not?

2006-12-27 12:32:15 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Let us use Jesus peace be upon him was his teaching more holy then his blood?

2006-12-27 12:39:04 · update #1

Would you have known about Jesus without the ink of a scholar?

2006-12-27 13:11:30 · update #2

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Interesting and thought provoking statement. I could argue both sides on that one.

2006-12-27 12:38:12 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

A true scholar will write to clarify and enlighten the world... a true martyr gives his life for the good of the world. I think if you argue that the scholar's ink is the better of the two, then you have to say that learning helps more people in the long run. His works can live on long after he has gone.

At the same time, the example of the martyr can live on long after he has gone, and continue to inspire people- and he has given his whole life in one go. The scholar on the other hand, if he is a true scholar, may devote his whole life to learning for the benefit of everyone- perhaps that's harder in some ways?

I am going to vote for the scholar in the end, for the following reason- his words can teach and inspire people of all faiths who are ready to hear his message. The death of the martyr may help inspire people of his own faith in the short term, and it may humble people of other faiths, but it's not a lesson they will necessarily accept. Of course, factionalism is not confined to religious matters by any means, but my feeling is that the teachings of a true scholar will be more useful and enduring than the death of a true martyr.

Use Jesus as an example you say? Well, part of him dieing was supposed to be about ressurrection as well- to show that life after death is possible- but he brought back Lazarus before then, so it wasn't an original miracle. Also, it can be disputed, not everyone's going to believe it. At the same time, the sort of things Jesus was saying can be inspiring even if you are not a Christian... but can you call Jesus either a true scholar or a true martyr? Can he be both? If so, you would have a great example on your hands- the scholarly martyr, the martyred scholar... but I'm not a hundred per cent certain whether you can strictly apply those terms to him....

2006-12-27 20:57:03 · answer #2 · answered by Buzzard 7 · 1 0

That depends upon how and why the martyr died and whether his death involved murdering innocent people. One definition of martyr is "one who suffers for the sake of principle." I consider Abraham Lincoln an honorable martyr to the cause of union and Reconstruction without persecution. I consider those who flew planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon in 2001 to be dishonorable martyrs. The principles for which they died apparently didn't include valuing life and justice over revenge.

Edit: Adding Jesus to the question makes it a matter of religious faith. I personally consider the moral example of Jesus as set down imperfectly by his followers to be his only contribution to history, but there are religious people who believe in the power of his "sacrifice" upon the cross. With respect, to me that is superstition.

2006-12-27 20:35:57 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

martyrs who are matryrs for the right reason and used it in correct way and not by blowing themselves us with the rest of the world. suicide is not martydom in Islam. It is a way of living for the shiites. sunnis do not belive in suicide.

ink of a scholar is more likely to be changed over the years. just like the bible was changed and new testement was written with extracts and new added versions.

a martyr cannot ever be changed.

2007-01-01 20:27:15 · answer #4 · answered by lovelylaura 3 · 0 0

If we're discussing Jesus, then it is the blood shed by Him that is significant, above all. Considering His purpose and significance greatly exceeds that of any martyr. And because of His teachings we understand "original sin" and the need for redemption.

2006-12-27 21:06:12 · answer #5 · answered by LadyB!™ 4 · 1 1

I think that both the knowledge and blood of myrtyr should be together and knowlege lead to murtudumbecause the first word came from Alllah saying ( IQRAA ) which means read . So reading and thinking are the first

2007-01-01 05:26:36 · answer #6 · answered by montathra 4 · 0 0

Perhaps because while the martyr benefits himself the scholar benefits all mankind - when the companions of the Prophet died the loss of a great scholars like Ibn Abbas or Aisha (Allah be pleased with them) was felt more than the loss of great wariiors like Hamza or Khalid ibn Walid because their knowledge has gone

Allah says in the Quran about war"009.122 Nor should the Believers all go forth together: if a contingent from every expedition remained behind, they could devote themselves to studies in religion, and admonish the people when they return to them,- that thus they (may learn) to guard themselves (against evil)."


With regards the statement some people say it isnt a saying of the Prophet Muhammed but of the great tabi Hasan al-basri
or it is a hadith but a weak one
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Is it true that Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) taught that "The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr".

Fatwa


Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and may His blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.

The Hadith mentioned by the dear sister is weak. It was mentioned by al-Suyuti in his book: "al-Jami al-Saghir" and he ( al-Suyuti ) graded it as weak.
It is also mentioned by Ibn Abd al-Bar in his book: "Jamie Bayan al-'Ilm wa Fadlu". As it was also mentioned by Ibn al-Jawzi in his book: "Al-Ilal".
The words of this Hadith as reported in "al-Jami al-Saghir" are as follows:
"The ink of scholars (used in writing) is weighed on the Day of Judgement with the blood of martyrs and the ink of scholars out-weighs the blood of martyrs (Shahadah)" .
Indeed Islam emphasizes knowledge and insists on it and the Qur'an praises the scholars and the knowledge. There are many sound Hadith. Also Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {… Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" …} [39: 9].
As for the Hadith you mentioned, it is weak.
Allah knows best.

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=3995&Option=FatwaId

2006-12-27 20:42:09 · answer #7 · answered by jewish n proud 2 · 1 2

"knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with PRECIOUS BLOOD, AS OF A LAMB, unblemished and spotless, the BLOOD OF CHRIST" (I Peter 1:18,19)

I've been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. I have peace with God. No scholar could do that for me.

2006-12-27 20:39:34 · answer #8 · answered by wefmeister 7 · 0 2

I know many Scholars who have changed their minds about what they believe. Off the top of my head though, can't think of anybody who died for their beliefs and then changed their mind about it later.

2006-12-27 20:35:35 · answer #9 · answered by jeff o 2 · 1 1

A psuedo-religious statement followed by ? Why? Why not? seems a little lazy. Have you got theology homework you want done for you?

2006-12-27 20:40:40 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

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