2 out of the 3 Abrahamic religions say that the trinity is nonsense, do Christians ever ponder this?

Question

The jews say that the God of the Torah/OT is not a trinity. Muhammad was sent to bring the people back to the worship of God alone.

What do you think about this Christians?

Answer 1

I got a Strongs Exhaustive of the Hebrew words in the bible.

That and the Holy Spirit clarified the Trinity to me.

The LORD thy God is One LORD. The Yahweh thy Elohim is United Yahweh. In the beginning Elohim (plural of El) created the heavens and the earths...

I trust in the anointing I received from God. I do need to have understanding and so I thoroughly studied it. The Trinity (not the word) is in the bible. Examples are when Jesus was water baptized. In Johns books. John, 1-3 John & Revelation.

John is a Messianic Jew. Jewish Siritual leaders didn't accept Jesus Christ the Lord. Neither did Muhammad. So, religions that deny the Son of the Living God are of an antichrist spirit. They deny Father and the Son of God and the Holy Spirit.

Answer 2

OMG some of these answers!

Trinitarian theology comes from the Nicean creed. Some rational understanding of the trinity is REQUIRED by ALL Christian faiths unless you want to be a poly-theist (belief in more than one God) which is the claim of the other two Abrahamic faiths hold against Christians. For if Christ is divine, and the Holy Spirit is divine... either you have three Gods... or you MUST have a trinitarian understanding of God. And it is true, a number of the practices of many denominations, such as the language in which we pray, is not perfect in relation to trinitarian doctrine. That is really why there is a need for a trained and educated clergy, as opposed to just the person who makes good sermons, to be our pastors and leaders. I try not to make this mistake in the course of my miistry. But there really is more than just a little at stake in this question.

There are a number of ways in which this is described. Biblicaly, it is suggested in a number of texts of the NT, but you will always need to use some interpretive consideration to connect the dots. The four Gospels reflect three different theologies of how the Trinity works. Mark is an adoption theory. Jesus was born a human and becomes more divine until His glory on the cross. Luke and Matthew are committed to the birth narrative and a divine Christ from conception. John opens with The Word (Christ) was with God at creation, and the Word became incarnate through Jesus.

Regardless, any scholar or minister will tell you that while it a difficult doctrine to prove, or even describe, it is necessary to hold our claim of faith as mono-theists. The best description I ever heard is that the trinity is an apple. There is a core, with the seed and the stem. There is the meat or the fruit, the part we long to eat. There is the skin or the peal, bitter and protective of the rest. Each part is different, yet all are of the same substance and DNA, APPLE. One God, One Kingdom, One Glory!

Answer 3

II am a Christian and I in no way believe the teaching of the trinity. If Jesus were God, how could Satan tempt him by offering him all the kingdoms of the world? To God, this would be no temptation since he is above all and created all. However, to Jesus, God's Son, it could have possibly been a temptation and Jesus did not say..."you can't offer me what is already mine" because he knew that God, his Father, was allowing Satan to rule the kingdoms of the earth for a while. Instead he said: "for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." ( the LORD thy God, being Jehovah, the Father)

However, we Christians do not understand how they can not see who Jesus was and that he is God's Son and King of God's Kingdom. Every prophesy written in the Hebrew Scriptures pointed exactly to Jesus as the promised Messiah, and they( many of the Jews did not recognize him ( as was also prophesied). Maybe that is because the following verse is true as well:

2 Corinthians 4: 3 & 4: "If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through."

Answer 4

Yes, but then I go back to the scripture and read where Abraham himself saw and acknowledged the Trinity. In Genesis 17, Abraham is instructed to prepare animals for a establishing a covenant with God. He cuts and lays out the pieces. But before he can actual walk between the pieces and speak the terms of the covenant, God causes him to fall into a trance. There he watches as both God the Father and Jesus as God the Son walk between the pieces, appearing as a smoking pot and a burning furnace. They speak the covenant to each other, with Jesus (who would in the future take a body that would come from Abraham's lineage) taking Abraham's place in the covenant. Jesus would later, in the John 6:56-58, talking about that time and how Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus and learn of his coming.

Abraham would teach the truth of the Trinity to his son Isaac in Genesis 22. Abraham would take Isaac to Mt Moriah, where he intended to offer him as a sacrifice to God. As they heading up the hill, Isaac looks around and ask his father where the offering is. Abraham replied "God will provide Himself the sacrifice". See Genesis 22:8). Abraham understood that God would come in human form as Jesus and give his life as the final sacrifice to redeem mankind.

So Christians believe in the Trinity because it was seen and taught by Abraham himself.

Answer 5

Thoughts:
Jews- They rejected Christ so it doesn't surprise me they would reject this too. They were wrong then as they are now, but they are still God's people and He loves them. I pray for them to seek the truth and many have found it (Messianic Jews)

Muslims- It's about like asking the opinion of Waldo the Weasel at the zoo. Doesn't really matter. islam is classified as Christianity, though it is anything but. False prophet that lied and was wrong on several of his prophecies. A god found in a heap of over 360 village gods that he decided to call allah (the moon god). Their allah is nothing near what our God is no matter how they try to slice alleljuia to pieces, it's more propaganda. The quran is in anything but its original form, but they love to tell you it is. Jesus said there would be false prophets after Him, and looky at Mo! He and Joseph Smith were probably related! Like it or not, islam has made an idol out of mo and they aren't supposed to do that, but doesn't matter anyway when the whole vision thing he had was inspired by satan!

Answer 6

Before you pass judgement on the Trinity, you should know what it is:

http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html

Have you ever pondered the fact that the Bible is a collection of writings spanning many more centuries than Islam has existed?

Have you ever pondered the fact that when one person sits down to write the entire 'truth' that everyone must follow, he has created a cult more than anything else? That places you in the same league as Mormons and Scientologists.

Answer 7

I believe that you mean to say that "3 out of the 4 Abramaic religions have some form of triune, so why did Muhammad scholars work so hard to purge that aspect or the religion?"

Since the nomenclature of "Abraham" is an Egyptian variation of the original "Abram," likely of Cannanite derivation, it stands that there is crossover from Egyptian/Kermit theology. In Egyptian society, it was the two pillars of King and Priest, and a capstone for the gods.

After the Hyksos ancestors of the "Israelites" were driven out in the 18th Dynasty, they integrated several aspects of several cultures, including elements of Egyptian theology. It impacted their religions until the Babyonian exile, when the decision was made to purge the Hebrew theology of all foreign influences, as attributed to Ezekiel, and place the Torah at the center of daily life. Of course the structure of King/Priest/God remained.

Christian triune is based no on the concept of "Father/Son/Holy Ghost," but also on the King/Priest/God construct. The goal of Y'shua/Jesus was to re-establish the stations of King and Priest as ordained by their Torah, and not the Roman appointed Sanhedrin. The plan was for "Jesus: to attain the Kingship, and the man who has come to be known as "John the Baptist" to attain the Priestly role. Obviouly, the execution of "John" changed those plans, and "Jesus" made the decision to take on both roles, as King and Priest. This decision may have led to his failure, as his order (likely, the Essenes) withdrew their support.

Which brings me back to my querry. Why did Muhammad scholars work so hard to eliminate the triune structure, and place Muhammad in the role which "Jesus" had sought but failed to achieve?

Answer 8

True Christians know that the trinity is not taught in the bible.

That Jesus said to worship his Father.

Paul said God was above Jesus, the same as Jesus is above man. (1 Cor. 11:3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.)

I just read a wonderful misquote of scripture to prove a false hood.

The person quoted

Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”

He went on to say Jesus said Satan shouldn't temp or test him.

What is missing is that this temptation was for Jesus to temp or test his Father.

Matt 4:5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’”

Jesus refused to temp or test his father, by jumping off the battlements.

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Gen 22:8

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8Abraham said, "God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." So the two of them walked on together.

New International Version (NIV)


8 Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together.

It is God that provides the sacrifice, not that God would be the sacrifice.

Answer 9

SEE IF THE TRINITY IS NONSENSE ?

John 3:16; Jesus is the son of God. John 17:3,5,24; Jesus was with God before the world was.
Col.1:15-17;
Jesus first creation created in the image of God.
Matt.3:16,17;
God says that Jesus is his son.
Matt.16:16,17;
Jesus is the son of the living God.
Matt.22:37-40;
Jesus said love God with whole soul. Matt.6:9-13 The Lord's prayer.
John 14:13,14,15,26,28; 16:23,26;
Pray in Jesus name, holy spirit is in Jesus name, God is greater than Jesus. John 20:17;

Answer 10

majority opinion never out weighs personal experience. I have interacted with all parts of the Trinity. God is triune.

Now then the Torah supports trinitarism. They recognize both the Spirit of God, God God's self and Emanuel (God with us) they just do not agree that it occured in the person called Jesus.