Christians Only! Your thoughts on Eternal Security.?

Question

I am Assembly of God and we do not believe in the Calvinistic interpretation of Predestination and Eternal Security.
But wish to know your thoughts, but before you respond, please look at these following links to understand what we believe and why and the context of what we believe.
And also, please bare in mind, I have studied the works of Charles Stanley and John McArthur and know their positions on the subject, so please do not quote from them as I have been there and have the T-shirt (Just a little humor)
My Pastor Was Southern Baptist and was Dean of Students at Criswell College in Dallas, until he became spirit filled, he now reads and writes and teaches New testament Greek at Christ for the Nations in Dallas and is Assembly of God.

http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/pp_4178_security.cfm

http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/gendoct_09_security.cfm

and finally:

http://www.jesusfamilies.org/Articles/ForfeitSalvation.htm

Answer 1

I am member of the Gospel Church of God in Jesus Christ.
I follow most denominations as long as they believe Jesus died for our sins and was risen and sits at the right hand of God.

Predestination: We were all predestined to go to heaven. Sadly some chose the other path to hell.

Once saved always saved?
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Ezekiel 33:12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.

13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;

15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

Answer 2

I just would like to point out the divisiveness of this statement.
"My Pastor Was Southern Baptist and was Dean of Students at Criswell College in Dallas, until he became spirit filled"

Not really wanting an answer, just wanting to make your thoughts known?

Answer 3

if the Assemblies, really believe in "once saved always saved", then why is it that when one of your ministers or members "falls" you quickly get them out of the pulpit, classrooms etc.. and perpetrate a stance of never can be a minister again? This really happened and a public embarrassment made of the accused parties. The Assemblies can make false accuasations of members, students and ministers without recourse, in their Inquisitor style of handling things. They almost Never appologize or admit wrongdoing from the top down. That is not real Christianity!

You maybe saved but you can loose your salvation, if you are continuing to commit various sins if you do not repent of them. Calvinist or not it is not theologically correct I point out Mark 13, even the elect can become the damned.

Answer 4

I believe that once a person exercises saving faith in Jesus Christ, he or she is forever in the family of God. God never kicks anyone our of his forever family. A number of Scripture passages support this view. For example, in 1 Corinthians 12:13 we are told that at the moment of salvation the Holy Spirit places us in the body of Christ. Once we are infused into the body of Christ, we are never excised from the body. In fact, Ephesians 1:12 and 4:30 indicate that at the moment of believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, we are permanently "sealed" by the Holy Spirit. At that point, we are God's everlasting property. That seal guarantees that we'll make it to heaven.
Moreover, we read in John 10:28-30 that it is the Father's purpose to keep us secure despite anything that might happen once we have trusted in Christ. Nothing can snatch us out of His hands. God's plans cannot be thwarted (Isaiah 14:24). Further, Romans 8:29-30 portrays an unbroken chain that spans from the predestination of believers to their glorification in heaven.
Another fact we need to keep in mind is that Christ regularly prays for each Christian (Hewbews 7:25). With Jesus interceding for us, we are sucure. (His prayers are always answered!)
Of course, the fact that a believer is secure in his salvation does not mean he is free to sin. If the Christian sins and remains in that sin, Scripture says that God will discipline him or her just as a father disciplines his children (see Hebrews 12:7-11).

Answer 5

You're entitled to your beliefs, but I worship a God that is almighty enough to keep me in the palm of His hand. God is not a weakling, He is the Author and Finisher of our salvation. If the AOG wishes to put man in control of God, I'll stick with Calvinism that looks to God alone for electing me, saving me, and keeping me. Seems to be a lot more than your God can do for you.

Answer 6

My belief is that NO ONE's salvation is assured unless Christ personally visits them and tells them. Not even the "saved" Christians...sorry guys.
There are certain things one can do to have the possibility of salvation, but it is never a guaranteed thing, it is a future event, not one that can happen in this life (unless of course the visit from Christ, which there have actually been a few who have had that - it is called your "calling and election made sure" - like Joseph Smith).
Salvation or 'being saved' is contingent upon one's faithfulness, certain covenants made, and keeping those covenants - such as baptism, covenant of marriage...and others.
That is my belief.

Answer 7

Im nondenominational Christian... I do not believe in Calvinism.. I do not believe "Once Saved Always Saved" I think both teachings laugh in the face of scripture. I also do not believe we are saved by works which both other sides will claim but I do believe that we can fall from grace and becoming lukewarm gets us spit out of Jesus mouth... and that doesnt mean spit into Heaven

Answer 8

I even have consistently believed in eternal protection, yet i'm no longer between the frothing-at-the-mouth non secular debate types. i think that "no guy can pluck us out of the hands of God" i'm in the human race, as a result, i won't be able to eliminate a real believer from the hand of God. collectively with me. i think of many human beings disagree with eternal protection in accordance with evidence that they see around them. "Christians" doing "undesirable" issues, the ought to hold directly to unfastened will, the church packed with hypocrites and liers....etc. I even have studied the bible my total existence, attended MANY denominations, and experience as though I even have had an open-minded seek of the scriptures for myself. Matthew 24 talks concerning the tip situations and says that there will be fake Christs and Prophets who, IF IT have been accessible, could fool the very choose for of Christ. it extremely is one passage that shows to me that persons who incredibly belong to Christ would be impossible to instruct faraway from Him. we don't be attentive to who belongs to Christ, and who does not. we gained't choose others. it extremely is barely for God to do. i be attentive to that i will do no longer something to eliminate myself from God's saving hand. i won't be able to speak for all and sundry else, nor choose yet another's destiny. My job is to stay for him, and alter into the main suitable me i could be, inspite of my flaws, and shortcomings. So, there is my 2 cents. i'm hoping you hit upon the answer you're finding for, or a minimum of an thrilling pool of solutions to choose for between....i will seem back to work out what others say.

Answer 9

I beleive that God is convant making God. We can break our convant with him by apostizing.

I never beleived in the OSAS doctine.

There are scriptures to support both side. You have to choose. I say...live your life for Jesus and it will all pan out in the end.

Answer 10

Yes, it is true that a true Christian has eternal security. Read your bible and stop listening to men who aren't in the know and who have nothing to do with your soul.