Christians, I thought that lying was against your religion...?

Question

And yet you persist in trying to post lies as truth on this forum. Case in point the person who said that Einstein stated that there must be a god. He never did any such thing of course.
On the other hand, let's read a quote he DID make on the subject;

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

Well said Albert. Well said.

I could mention the Lady Hope lie about Darwin recanting on his death bed but that's for another time...

Now the christians who will give this question a thumbs down, ask yourself WHY you would do this. Does the truth frighten you so much?

Mutter,
That's funny because Hitler was a devout christian.
Here is ample proof of that.
http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Answer 1

The whole Christian religion is based on a lie - the lie of the pagan Paul

Martin Luther head of the protestant church said
defended "a good hearty lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian Church, a lie in case of necessity, a useful lie." Such lies, he said, "would not be against God."


“What about lying in Christianity?”

The answer: it was Paul, the self-confessed “apostle” from Tarsus, who was the first person to rationalise his actions by holding that there was no link between the period in which Jesus (P) had lived and the period in which he himself now lived. Times were changing and conditions that prevailed were such that the ethic of Jesus(P) was out of date and could no longer be applied. It was with such a view that Paul took stock of the situation which existed then and taught what the Gentiles seem to require him to believe:

“All things are lawful unto me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.” (1 Corinthians 6:12)

During the ministry of Jesus(P), Saul (Paul) was a dedicated member of a powerful, exclusive Jewish sect called Pharisees (Acts 26:5). Their pretensions to sanctity had labelled them as hypocrites. When these overbearing vain-glorious Jews confronted Jesus(P), he called them:

“You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)

Saul, a zealous persecutor of the devoted disciples of Christ, became the first Christian missionary and an apostle to the Gentiles after converting himself to Christianity by a “vision”, which he claims he had, while on the road to Damascus. The missionary changed his name from Saul to Paul and became the biggest contributor to the Books of the New Testament. From the above verse, Jesus(P) like many of his predecessors condemned lying, deceit and hypocrisy. Lying is condemned several times throughout the Bible, and deceit by its own nature, is sinful and can only lead to hazardous consequences. What does Peter say in regards to guile2?

“For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that speak no guile.” (1 Peter 3:12)

The verse speaks for itself. One of the factors that hinder man’s success in this world and eternal life in the hereafter, is the use of guile. But on his own admittance, what does Paul say?

“But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I caught you with guile.” (2 Corinthians 12:16)

On his own admission, Paul is saying that he uses deception in his modus operandi. In all the new versions of the Bible, the more common term of “deceit” is replaced instead

On his own admission, Paul is saying that he uses deception in his modus operandi. In all the new versions of the Bible, the more common term of “deceit” is replaced instead. This statement is made long after his conversion to Christianity, in the phase when he supposed to be blessed and righteous, and most importantly of all, being guided by Christ. Paul was not only a rejector of the Mosaic Law and the Jesus Ethic, he also asserted that he was a law unto himself. Many people, obviously, could not accept this. Thus Paul responded with:

“For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto His Glory; why yet I am also judged a sinner?” (Romans 3:7-8)

It can be ascertained from this statement that although Paul knew that he was lying, he felt that the means justified the end, but it was not understand how truth would abound through a lie. According to this reasoning, if the man Jesus was equated with God, then what objections could a follower of Jesus have?

Guile is certainly deception. Flattery is simply rather shameful. And they lend themselves nicely to each other. But, deception (especially for the sake of proselytizing) was started by Paul and became the raison d’etre of those who laid the foundation of the European church. And the missionaries of today seem to have no qualms in utilising it. Deception is the name of the game, and this is obvious when the missionaries start substituting exclusively Muslim phrases such as insha’allah (God willing) for “Lord Jesus willing”, subhana Allah (Praise God) with “Praise Lord Jesus”, “Wa Allahu a’lam” (God knows best) with “Jesus knows best”, i.e. in their articles which openly berates Islam. Another attempt at guile is the Christian missionary activity of “church-planting” in Muslim nations where they openly state their desire to convert Muslims “by hook or by crook”.

Perhaps the missionaries in their “pick-and-choose” religion had suffered from amnesia and forgotten the following:

“Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.” (Psalms 32:2)

And only God knows best!

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/lying-in-christianity/

Answer 2

Actually, in that quote you just gave, Einstein never said he didn't believe in God, just that he couldn't imagine a God that punishes. So based on your question and quote given, should everyone say that you are a liar and that all people that quote Einstein lie? I don't think so. Maybe you are mistaken or didn't give enough of a quote. Maybe the Christian who posted the original question was also mistaken. You shouldn't be so quick to judge one and then judge a whole belief on that one.

God Bless you and have a safe and Happy New Year.

Answer 3

I didn't respond to that post, but when I saw it I didn't think the poster could have been serious. Apparently they were. Anyone who knows even a little bit about Einstein (and I know very little about Einstein) should be able to recognize that "question" was an outright lie. Einstein stating that there MUST be a God? Come on.

BB
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Answer 4

Here are two further Einstein quotes:

"It was of course a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

So, it is obvious that you are looking to say that Einstein did not believe in a God who was involved in human history.
But he did believe in a God who could be considered the "clockmaker"---the creator of things who got it all started and then left it to fend for itself.

Answer 5

um, who really cares what einstein said. why do people (christian or otherwise) revere him as some kind of all-knowing, embodiment of universal knowledge?
He may have been smart on a couple of subjects, but he was famously stupid on many other topics, though that didn't stop him from trying. It is also well-known that he couldn't even count small change without somebody helping him?
Ask einstein about universal truth? NEVER!
oooooh, Einstein said something, it must be TRUE! whooo!

"I cannot imagine a God who...."

yeah, me either. Nor do I know such.

The Almighty God is not "a reflection of human frailty"
To the contrary, WE are merely human reflections of His likeness.

The purposes of the Almighty God are not "modeled after our own". OUR purposes SHOULD be modeled after HIS.

Get it right, "Einstein"!

I do not know the God of which einstein speaks. He must have been deceived by people like you, and never knew God's Word.

Answer 6

Miss Green: Did not Einstein say, "I want to know the mind of God. The rest is detail."

Did not Einstein say, "I am convinced that God does not play dice."

It is very difficult to say that someone does not believe in God just by a few statements said.

Answer 7

It is against our religion but because everyone is not perfect we all tell lies and we all sin! Even if we are christians! I am a christian I believe that if you lie all you have to do is say sorry (and truly mean it) to the person that you lied to. Then after that we should say sorry to God and ask for his forgiveness.

Answer 8

Albert, like youself are un-believers. The good thing is: your still alive and have the chance to repeat and become a follower of Christ.

Answer 9

All people lie,
young Yoda.
We lie by what we say.
We lie by what we don't say.
We lie by keeping silent,
when we should speak.
All of our words
are shaded by
half-truths
(or partial truths)
rationalizations
perceptions
feelings
all of which color
our "truth."
None of us knows
the whole story.
Even citing one quote
as you have
taken out of context
of a whole life lived
is lying.
So you have lied, too,
simply by quoting one statement
and making that the whole.
Someone once said
"Heresy is taking a part
and making it the whole."
And certainly
that, O Yoda,
is what you have done.
We all do it.
Welcome to what it means,
not only to be a Christian,
but a human being.

Answer 10

"The Big Lie" is the central core of every religion. There are no such things as gods, so they are lying from the get go.

Answer 11

Rick Warren was on Meet the Press this past weekend and claimed that Hitler was an atheist.