Just out of sheer, morbid curiosity...about those scriptures that say that women should keep quiet in church--

Question

--and submit to their husbands and whatnot...

Would those of you who complain so loudly about those verses being sexist and degrading be making the same complaints if they said that MEN were to remain silent in the church, and that MEN were to submit to their wives?

Be honest now.

Answer 1

I sometimes wonder about this, myself.

Honestly, I can picture a lot of the women who consider these verses sexism or rationalize them into something else taking them literally if they were to be reversed in the way you described.

But in all brutal honesty, pointing out this hypocrisy is usually a waste of breath. The people who commit this contradictory offense rarely see what they are doing.

Answer 2

I am a woman. There is a reason for the verses you are referring to. Eve was the first woman to go wrong. She was deceived by the serpant. Adam disobeyed God. You can do a great deal of harm when you are being deceived. I submit to my husband but I am his help meet and he treats me as such. Submission does not mean servitude. When I question what the preacher is saying and I am not sure, I go to my husband with the issue. If we come to the conclusion that something should be said, either he does it or tells them to hear what I have to say. If I, as a woman by nature, can be deceived, isn't it better to have a sounding board for me to go to instead of every time I don't like something, halt everything and talk till nothing gets done? Anyway, it also says that men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church. If there is not a man to do a job, God will put a woman in charge. There were female judges in the old testiment because God could not find a man to do the job. God is in charge. God Bless

Answer 3

It was Paul who said that, and believe it or not, he did have a reason. All Jewish services at that time were done in hebrew, and Jewish women were not allowed to learn hebrew, which meant they had to sit there quietly and not even know what the heck was being said. So Jewish women had to rely on their husband or fathers to tell them later what was said. Course, they got bored sitting there listening to gibberish they couldn't understand so like we do now when having to listen to gibberish, they talked among themselves, making noise and ticking off the men. The early christian church was based on Jewish temple, so they kept the same temple rules for a long time, including the everything done in hebrew part. If I'm not mistaken, even now Jewish women are not permitted to read the Torah, but that may just be the Orthodox Jews, not really sure.

So the whole "submitting to the husband" thing was meant for spiritual guidance, since they couldn't read the torah for themselves and had to rely on those that could. It was a really bad situation if you ask me, but they didn't, and that particular time in history was extremely sexist.

Answer 4

Sorry still ROTFL at the thought of my 6'4"/ 285 lbs husband submitting to me and keeping his mouth shut when I say so :-)

I can't be quiet in church, being the organist and choir director. If I don't sing, no one will. I get paid to sing the songs and get everyone else in the place to sing, woman or man.

There's creepier laws than this one in the Bible anyway.

Answer 5

If you view those verses as oppression, you're not reading them in context.

If you read the part right after it tells wives to submit, you see that the husband is given a much more difficult task in the relationship. I would describe this setup as simply a way of avoiding power struggles. God just put the final decision on the man, and that just says up front who will be the last word. It also means that if he screws up, he alone is accountable before God.

If a husband does his part, laying down his life (his own wants) for the good of his family, there is no reason not to submit to him. It's a good deal for us, in my opinion. I'm glad I'm a woman.

Answer 6

yes...I also get this doubt...but your comment about women in Church and Husbands & wife cannot be compared...the entire Bible says about men only as preachers, prophets...etc., but the time has changed that we find more women preachers now....as women and men are considered equal now.

Answer 7

A woman should submit to her husband; but let's remember, the husband is to love the wife as Christ loves the church and as he loves himself.

Ephesians 5:25:
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

Ephesians 5:28:
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

If my husband loves me as Christ loves the church, I'd have no problem submitting.

It was the Jewish law for women to stay quiet in church at this time in history. Paul is just telling them to obey the law.

BTW, Paul's epistles were meant for a particular church, with particular problems, at a specific time in history. They were never meant to be doctrine for all time.

Answer 8

i believe it grew to become into basically pertaining to females persons who chatted and asked questions in the time of the provider interrupting the provider for others. My pastors would not enable any talking in the time of the centers, yet allowed his spouse to grant 0.5 of the sermon one Sunday. She did o.k.. She had long gone to Bible college additionally.

Answer 9

To all women it is not that this sciprute is sexist, it is good.
Nature is sexist.Sexist is nature. If that is what you want to call it .

Answer 10

YES! I'm a woman and I think that either way it goes it's incredibly sexist.