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2006-12-25 15:29:33 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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i was raised catholic and am po choice...if that counts

2006-12-25 15:31:00 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3 5

A pro-choice Catholic is an oxymoron.The Catechism of the Catholic Church 2272 reads,"formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense.The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life,"A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," 'by the very commission of the offense,' and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy.Rather,she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed,the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death,as well as the parents and the whole of society.

2006-12-25 23:49:49 · answer #2 · answered by kalusz 4 · 1 0

That's an oxymoron because you are looking for a Catholic that does not believe in being a true Catholic.

Why call yourself a Catholic if you don't believe in the divine authority of the Church to teach in all matters of faith and morals? I think that some people think of it like a club, and they don't really believe in God.

If you don't believe that the Church has authority to teach in all matters of faith and morals, then I know that you would not believe in the real presence of the Eucharist either since one first has to fully accept the teaching authority of the Catholic Church to accept the teaching on the Eucharist.

So that means that the so-called Pro-Choice Catholic rejects the teaching authority of the Catholic Church and in the same way they could not possibly be a believer in the Eucharist. This would also mean that that person would not be in communion with the universal Catholic Church. These are the most basic requirements to fit the definition of being a Catholic.

A person who rejects the authority that Jesus gave to the successor of Peter is a person who also has a problem with the authority and divinity of Jesus.

Please refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you would like to know what it means to be a Catholic.

P.S. your best friend is not the one who can save your eternal soul from Hell. Only Jesus can save us from ourselves and from the snare of the Devil. The flesh dies, but the soul lives forever. It's just a matter of where you will choose to spend your eternity. Will you choose your friend over Jesus? They aren't really your friend if they aren't trying to help you get to Heaven.

2006-12-25 23:40:41 · answer #3 · answered by Life 2 · 0 2

All Catholics are pro-choice. Just like all Americans we greatly value our right to make choices governing our own lives, and thank God we don't live in a dictatorship. However there are no pro-abortion Catholics out here, because rejecting Catholic teaching makes a person non-Catholic.
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2006-12-26 00:01:04 · answer #4 · answered by PaulCyp 7 · 1 1

No. There aren't any, because to Catholic (unified, in Greek) you have to be in full full communion with the church. If you are pro choice, you aren't in communion with the churches teachings and therefore in Heresy.

So no, they do not actually exist.

2006-12-25 23:34:22 · answer #5 · answered by Everything you know is wrong 5 · 4 3

I was raised Catholic...what a messed up religion that is. But "religion" is the key word here. I am pro "let each person answer to God for what they have done in their life." It's not my job to judge you for what you decided to do...

2006-12-25 23:34:16 · answer #6 · answered by 123..WAIT! 5 · 3 3

Catholic beliefs on abortion have been far from consistent and often misrepresented. Here is the history of the abortion debatein the Catholic Church:

Up to the second centry CE Aristotle's delayed ensoulment (quickening) was widely accepted throughout Rome and Greece. Stating that a fetus originally has a vegetable soul. This evolves into an animal soul later in gestation. Finally the fetus becomes "animated" with a human soul.The Jewish faith was generally opposed to both infanticide and abortion. An exception occurred if the continuation of a pregnancy posed a risk to the life of the pregnant woman or to her other children. In such cases, the pregnant woman was actually obligated to abort the fetus.

By the second century CE there were many competing religions within the Roman Empire, including Judaism, the Greek state religion, Mithraism, the Roman state religion, and various Mystery religions. With the exception of Judaism, most or all of the competing religions allowed women to have abortions and allowed parents to strangle or expose new-born babies as methods of population control. It was at this time that letters and petitions of early Christian philosophers and Church Fathers began to appear equating abortion with infanticide, condemning both as murder.

In the 5th century CE St. Augustine reversed Christian teaching, returning to the concept of delayed ensoulment. He wrote a human soul cannot inhabit an unformed body, therefore abortion before the ensoulment (animation, usually first signs of movement) was not murder because no human soul was destroyed. THIS BECAME THE CHURCH'S CANON LAW FOR THE NEXT 1400 YEARS. Only abortion of a more fully developed "fetus animatus" (animated fetus) was considered murder. St. Jerome wrote in a letter: "The seed gradually takes shape in the uterus, and it does not count as killing until the individual elements have acquired their external appearance and their limbs." Acts preventing conception at the time were considered much greater sin then abortion. An example oral sex was punishable by 7 years penance, where abortion before quickening was only 120 days.

In 887 CE Pope Stephen V in the Epistle to Archbisop of Mainz reversed the teaching back to the second century view of abortion being murder. However Canon law was not changed and still allowed abortion up to the quickening. Later Pope Innocent III ruled on an abortion case, deciding that abortion before the quickening was not the same as murder. Pope Innocent III stated that the soul enters the body of the fetus at the time of "quickening" - when the woman first feels movement of the fetus. After ensoulment, abortion was equated with murder; before that time, it was a less serious sin, because it terminated only potential human life, not human life. St. Thomas Aquinas, one of our most prolific (and often quoted by 'pro-lifers')writers, wrote extensively on abortion and murder. However what most people fail to pay attention to was he also only recognized it as murder after the quickening.

Pope Sixtus issued a Papal Bull, Effraenatam, in 1588 CE, bringing the teachings back again to the second century, equating all abortion with murder and threatening excommunication. This Bull was was short lived and and immediately revoked in 1591 CE after Gregory XIV took office.He reinstated the "quickening" test, which he said happened 116 days into pregnancy (16½ weeks).In 1658 CE Hieronymus Florentinius, a Franciscan, asserted that all embryos or fetuses, regardless of its gestational age, which were in danger of death must be baptized. However, his opinion did not change the status of abortion in the Church. As late as the eighteenth century, one of the Church's greatest moral theologians, St. Alfonsus Liguori, was still denying that the soul was infused at conception.

Finally, Pope Pius IX reversed the stance of the Church once more. He dropped the distinction between the "fetus animatus" and "fetus inanimatus" in 1894 and decreed abortion could not be taught in Catholic Schools. July 24, 1889 by the Tribunal of the Holy Office abortion was condemned by name, and on March 20, 1902 abortion even for medical purposes was condemned. Canon law was officially revised in 1917 and 1983 refering simply to "the fetus."

The current stance on abortion is relatively new in the history of the Church. It is important to rememeber though......NO DECREE on ABORTION has EVER been issued INFALLIBLY, WHICH MEANS if SUFFICIENT REASON EXISTS for dissent, we are to DISSENT ACCORDING TO OUR OWN CONSCIENCE. Catholic teachings states what is not directly addressed by scripture comes from Moral practices and traditions that have stood through time. Abortion was never addressed scripturally even though it existed at the time. No pratice or tradition regarding abortion has stood consistently through time.

Catechism of the Catholic Church Part 4 1782: "Man has the right to act in conscience so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. NOR must he be prevented from acting according to to his conscience, especially in religous matters." A person can reject a fallible Catholic teaching and still remain Catholic. At least today they still can, with the movements that have taken place under the last and current Pope that might change tomorrow.

2006-12-26 18:11:20 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

A Catholic who is "pro-choice" needs to suffer without the Eucharist. Abortion is murder in almost every case. There are very few cases in which there is ambiguity whatsoever.

2006-12-25 23:33:09 · answer #8 · answered by BigPappa 5 · 4 4

then she's not catholic. the catholic church doesn't recognize people as catholic if they're pro-choice. go ahead give me thumbs down, i'm just the messenger.

2006-12-25 23:30:56 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 5 4

Contrary to what the catholic church would have us believe, they do exist.

2006-12-25 23:35:05 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 3

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