For a bloke who (believe it or not) is now considered infallible - he sure made a boo boo when he was younger didn't he?
2006-12-25 12:42:38 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Three other observations:
1)"Of course he had no choice in the matter. He did what he was told and followed orders like every good citizen." That did not wash at Nuremburg and it does not wash now.
2) The thickest book in the world are those Germans who say they are Nazis in 1939, the thinnest book in the world are those Germans who say they were Nazis after 1945.
3) The Popo during the war notoriously did not condemn Hitler (who was also Catholic- not an atheist as some would have us believe) to save the precious Vatican and its treasures worth millions from Nazi hands. Gold before conviction.
2006-12-25 22:05:13 · update #1
Followed link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.h...
Appears to say (after paging through this waffle) that when the Pope makes a mistake it was his council who are in error. If by chance he is right, then it is 'proof' of his infallibility! Also it only apllies when he is Pope, not before when he was a youth - so his clanger on Muslims all being evil should be taken as an infallible statement?
2006-12-25 22:14:23 · update #2
LOL
So true.
The Catholic Church was very stupid for putting in a former Nazi, forced into it or not.
2006-12-25 12:46:01 · answer #1 · answered by . 7 · 3⤊ 3⤋
No, we are not worried. After all Peter denied Jesus three times.
The Pope is not and never has been a Nazi. He unfortunately was born and grew up in a country ruled by the Nazi party.
Every draftee into the Hitler Youth and the Nazi German Army was not a Nazi.
Just hope and pray that you do not have to make a decision to be executed or live and fight for a government in which you do not believe.
Thank God that you and I live in a very different world that the Pope did in 1930s and 1940s Germany.
With love in Christ.
2006-12-25 22:05:38 · answer #2 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
There are alot of things to criticize Joseph Ratzinger over that have merit. Being a Nazi is not one of them at the time membership in the Hitler Youth was required and automatic under the law in Austria/Germany he never attended meetings. His entire class was drafted into the military he did not join and he actually deserted the military. His family was very anti Nazi and actually lost a member of the family in Hitler's eugenics experiments. Critcize him for the many valid reasons there are to critcize him but this one is not valid, you cannot criticize someon over something they had no choice in. By the way he as a man is not considered infallible that is a misrepresentation of the doctrine of infalliblity. The office is infallible only on expressing what the moral and doctrinal teachings of the church are.
2006-12-25 20:48:20 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
It's not about doing the "right thing" or the decent thing; it's about power/money/politics and preserving the organisation at any cost.
He was just the best at manipulating himself into power, like all successful politicians.Who cares about Sieg Heil - the Church survived the Nazi era, that's all that counts. Don't expect Catholics to question it - they'll only go on the defensive or counter-attack because you're trying to deprive them of their security.
2006-12-26 05:52:28 · answer #4 · answered by Frankie 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
>>For a bloke who (believe it or not) is now considered infallible - he sure made a boo boo when he was younger didn't he?<<
As has already pointed out, he had no choice in the matter, but even if he was a full-blown Nazi who personally murdered millions of Jews, it would have nothing to do with papal infallibility. Follow the link to learn about papal infallibility.
2006-12-25 21:00:27 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Personally I'd just say don't Judge the Guy... as he's doing the best job that he can... Plus I'm Roman Catholic and so is my Whole family so I support him fully!!! ^=^ ...
and in truth here... who cares if he had said 'Sieg Heil' when he was Younger???
Like my Mother always says... "We all make Mistakes, No Matter if there Good or Bad. We're not Perfect!!!" (even though some would try and disagree with that statement lol!!! ::Rolls Eyes::
Life and Let Life as the ole saying goes... ^-^'' ...
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2006-12-25 20:50:08 · answer #6 · answered by SHADOW 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
It was mandatory to be part of Hitler's Youth. Also, and I know you in the USA never hear about this because your "history books" (read: propaganda) does not teach about it, what was happening in Europe after the end of WW1 and the rise of Adolf Hitler to power was horrible: Jews had taken control of all banking institutions, Jews were controlling all re-building funds and they had complete control over politics.
"Goyim" in Europe were starving and were treated like worthless animals. Do you think Europe went after Hitler just because they went mad? NO. They needed some way to break the iron fist that was asphyxiating them. It's not PC to say, but Jews in Europe during the 20s were not any gentler to the gentiles there than they are to the Palestinians now.
So what happened with Hitler was nothing but a reaction to it.
2006-12-25 20:54:20 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Considering the vast number of problems within the Catholic church I don't see having a German who was alive at the time of WW2 (and who was therefore required to join the Hitler youth) as a priority.
2006-12-25 21:06:17 · answer #8 · answered by ? 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
the pope during the second world war stole lots of art from poor country's and hide them for there own good. not only that the Vatican helped Nazi's escape Germany and move to south America to escape the Allied forces and the death penalty for there horrendous crimes against humanity
2006-12-25 21:03:00 · answer #9 · answered by Creef 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Yes and he seemed to show the same style of thinking until the College of Cardinals at the Vatican put him on a leash.
2006-12-25 20:47:04 · answer #10 · answered by Barabas 5 · 2⤊ 3⤋