My brother, know that there is nothing new occuring to you that hasn't already occured to most of us. The Messianic Movement will always be looked upon as being heretical by antinomian Christians.
Have you ever considered that they are the ones following "another Jesus"? Their Jesus came to do away with the law (just ask them and they will tell you that!). He is a "man of lawlessness" to them. Just think, all it would take is a few special effects, and they could be deceived by a false "Second Coming", and they would follow after the "man of lawlessness" and take his "mark" thinking it is the seal of G-d! They would then persecute those who follow Torah, and they would follow right along when their false Jesus walks into the Holy of Holies and declares himself to be G-d!
It is up to you to speak against this lawlessness in your area. But you have to make sure that you make it clear to them that keeping the Torah is not the way of Salvation. Rather, keeping Torah is just doing what we were supposed to be doing in the first place. It is all those many times when we fall short of properly following Torah that shows us our need of Salvation from the penalty of violating Torah.
To those who think that Torah is bondage, ask them to explain the story of Moses to you. Would they claim that G-d set the children of Israel (as well as the mixed multitude of Gentiles) free from the bondage of slavery in Egypt only to then enslave them with Torah at Mount Sinai? Obviously this is not the case. Rather Torah is freedom, just as putting a fence around a tar pit keeps you in freedom. Going into the tar pit or into sin is what gives bondage - not keeping Torah. Torah gives us direction on how to stay free from bondage. Yeshua gives us freedom from the bondage of sin that we put ourselves in.
The problem that I frequently see is that Christians do not use the Biblical definition for the word "sin". As it says in 1 Yochanan 3:4 "Whoever commits sin violates Torah, for sin is the violation of Torah."
The Christians feel good about themselves running around with their "WWJD?" trinkets and T-Shirts, but they don't actually use that as any model of living their lives. Otherwise they would have the custom of going to the synagogue on the Sabbath, quoting Torah at every turn, keeping the Feasts, etc.
2006-12-25 16:17:39
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answered by Daniel 6
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This saying from the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus, "Be ye perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect," sounds pretty heavy until you read the rest of the quotation, which the preachers usually fail to do.
"Be ye perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect; for he makes the rain to fall on the just and the unjust alike." Matt 5:45, 48
He is saying that if you want to be complete, or fully mature in your spiritual walk, you need to be doing the things he spoke of earlier in the chapter which has a lot to do with the law. In fact, the Greek word translated "perfect" is teleios (tel'-i-os) which means complete. Getting there is only by the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives, as our human nature wants to go directly against those things which Jesus taught us to do. We must also remember the fullness of Jesus’ teaching on the law: our command is to love God and our neighbor, and the law will accomplish itself. All people are our neighbors, even the just and unjust alike.
If entering a Messianic tradition is helping you on your journey ... Praise G-d!!
2006-12-24 15:29:53
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answered by thundercatt9 7
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Well, darling, I'd be interested in knowing exactly WHERE the founders were "clear" that we should "create law based on the god of the Bible and the 10 commandments." I'd also be interested to see what kind of 1-to-1 relationships she draws between the Bill of Rights (laws our founders framed themselves) and the 10 commandments of her Bible. That would be fun. In fact, darling, I'd be surprised if Sarah could even identify a measly few of the amendments in the Bill of Rights. I'm willing to believe that she couldn't name 7 commandments, too. (((Nikon)))
2016-05-23 05:00:21
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answered by ? 4
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The bible quotes are definitely words to live by.
I too see that the Laws are too conveniently ignored.
I've never heard of Messianic before, but I do enjoy reading the answers you share in R&S, I find a good message in many of them. Don't put much thought in the peeps who react negetively. You tried your best to enlighten them :)
2006-12-24 15:25:30
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answered by rezany 5
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Just some scriptures that came to mind in light of your scripture readings. These come to mind because of the hope of becoming like Jesus. To think that God actually intends to make us like Jesus...wow. US!? God be with you--and keep praying--and remembering the poor.
Ecclesiastes 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men.....
Romans 8:13
But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Luke 17:6
He replied, "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it will obey you.
Galatians 2:10
All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.
Matthew 17:20
I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."
Jeremiah 9:23-25
23 This is what the LORD says:
"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,
24 but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows me,
that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,"
declares the LORD.
Jude
24To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
Deuteronomy 32:47
They are not just idle words for you—they are your life.
2006-12-24 15:30:11
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answered by Anonymous
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I'm with you on the Jesus over Paul idea.
Most of the people who think of them selves as Christians are always talking Paul's nonsense which is about as far from the true teachings of Jesus as you can get.
They should be called Paulists instead of Christians.
Love and blessings Don
2006-12-24 15:08:39
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answered by Anonymous
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John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
2006-12-24 15:08:20
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answered by beek 7
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No slanderous thoughts? How can one slander a mythical being?
My thoughts are that nobody can be perfect and it makes no sense to even try to be so. It creates guilt for not meeting an impossible standard.
Be holy b/c I am holy? Please. Who is claiming that?
2006-12-24 15:04:53
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answered by Anonymous
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Yes indeed. If you love G-d you will want to do what is pleasing to G-d, G-d is forgiving, but if we don't try to do what is right, what does this say about our relationship with G-d?
2006-12-24 15:09:03
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answered by The First Dragon 7
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Your icon still looks like a bomb. xx
2006-12-24 15:07:03
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answered by Anonymous
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