The Swift company hired more minorities , (They are Legal citizens) are you for or against it ?

Question

They hired somalians, and legal mexicans. Do you think it is ok? Do you think they hired them because they work for a less wage than whites would? What should be the Law for hiring Illegal citizens ? Should it be harsh , should we incarcerate them and train them to do skilled work? Or should we just ignore it ? Do you think it is unfair to seperate their families? I will use for an example An illegal gets a speeding ticket he or she has no license or insurance, what do the police do?

Answer 1

Ok, you're confusing ethnicity, and legal status. Also, if someone's speeding, driving with no license, and in the country illegally to begin with, get them off the road, and out of the country. Let their home country pay their bail. That way, that person won't be coming back anytime soon. Fair's fair, and if our citizens are required to abide by all relevant laws as regards motor vehicles, title, tags, insurance, emissions, license, safe operation, due care, compliance with posted speed limits, so forth and so on, then those same standards should apply to visitors from elsewhere. There was one such example, where the guy was from Mexico, higher than a kite, no license, no insurance, might have even been a stolen car, in our country illegally right off the bat, and there was a wreck, I wish I had the news article to reference it. Anyway, I believe he did finally get deported, not sure. Anyway, 40,000 people die per year on the highway, putting people out there on the road that are nowhere near being legal is a mistake. Great moneymaker for the insurance companies maybe, but...

Part of this issue has been some decisionmaking paralysis, and that's by design on the part of the pro-amnesty advocates. They REALLY want illegal aliens to be freely admitted to our country,
which is part of why citizens REALLY want all this crap to be stopped post-haste and forthwith etc etc. You could get into ID theft, and other stuff, but suffice it to say there's A Problem, and fixing it will likely require getting a lot of people to move on home, and shutting down employers that don't particularly feel inclined to comply with standing US labor laws. The law's pretty clear, there's even a passage that talks about penalties for aiding and abetting, quoted below:

1907 Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) Offenses

Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3).

Alien Smuggling -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(i) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing that a person is an alien, to bring to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien.

Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.

Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.

Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Bringing Aliens to the United States -- Subsection 1324(a)(2) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has not received prior authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, to bring to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever, such alien, regardless of any official action which may later be taken with respect to such alien.

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), enacted on September 30, 1996, added a new 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(3)(A) which makes it an offense for any person, during any 12-month period, to knowingly hire at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that these individuals are unauthorized aliens. See this Manual at 1908 (unlawful employment of aliens).

Unit of Prosecution -- With regard to offenses defined in subsections 1324(a)(1)(A)(i)-(v), (alien smuggling, domestic transporting, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or conspiracy/aiding or abetting) each alien with respect to whom a violation occurs constitutes a unit of prosecution. Prior to enactment of the IIRIRA, the unit of prosecution for violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2) was each transaction, regardless of the number of aliens involved. However, the unit of prosecution is now based on each alien in respect to whom a violation occurs.

Knowledge -- Prosecutions for alien smuggling, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(i) require proof that defendant knew that the person brought to the United States was an alien. With regard to the other violations in 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a), proof of knowledge or reckless disregard of alienage is sufficient.

Penalties -- The basic statutory maximum penalty for violating 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(i) and (v)(I) (alien smuggling and conspiracy) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both. With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. In addition, significant enhanced penalties are provided for in violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1) involving serious bodily injury or placing life in jeopardy. Moreover, if the violation results in the death of any person, the defendant may be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years. The basic penalty for a violation of subsection 1324(a)(2) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(A). Enhanced penalties are provided for violations involving bringing in criminal aliens, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i), offenses done for commercial advantage or private financial gain, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(ii), and violations where the alien is not presented to an immigration officer immediately upon arrival, 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(2)(B)(iii). A mandatory minimum three year term of imprisonment applies to first or second violations of § 1324(a)(2)(B)(i) or (B)(ii). Further enhanced punishment is provided for third or subsequent offenses.

COMMENT: Further discussion of offenses defined in 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a) is set forth in Chapter 3 of Immigration Law, published as part of the Office of Legal Education's Litigation Series, and as part of the USABook computer library.

Answer 2

If they are legal, it is ok.

If the raids keep up, all of those legally here will get better wages, not just the whites.

That is a good thing.

I think the law says illegals should be deported, and I agree with it. Criminals put in jail are separated from their families too, and these have the right to take kids back with them. They have no right to 'reunite' on THIS side of the border, where we have to pay taxes to support their family's education and services.

If there was a real solution, including true investigation and enforcement going forward, I'd have some compassion for those already here who are not guilty of other crimes, just because our government let them get so settled. However, absent that cure going forward (and letting MORE in is not a cure) I remember clearly that they knew they were breaking our law and knew what the penalty was when they came.

Our children's schools are failing and our services won't be there for our own retirements and old age. We can't afford to take on all of the poor who broke our laws to be here in the first place.

Answer 3

I agree with the last person's comments Not only they're illegals but they we're criminals you commit Crimes like fraud, Extortion, Rape, Murder, you deserve to be Deported.

What Law need to be Enforced is that immigration has to put to congress Mass Deportation of Millions of Illegals and If they want to come to the states have to pass a Citizenship Test or don't enter the country, and tighter Border security is a Must too.

What Law Forcement needs to do is call (INS) Immigration, and Naturalization Services, and report their activities,and Deported the Illegals back to their home Countries, Americans have to take back their country and the only way to do it is to adopt a Law that's in Hazelton, PA Illegal immigration Relief Act (IIRA) This law will kick out all Illegals, and the Businesses that hire them, the Property Owners, and the Charity Groups that Help them will all face Stiff Fines and Imprisonment.

Listen America is My Country not some Mexican, not some Somalian, not some Chinaman, If you love this Country you would stand Up for It, and reject these Illegals on all levels.

Answer 4

Swift as in Swift trucking based out of Phoenix, AZ?

While there is some merit to your question. You have failed to grasp the full scope of the problem.

As a truck driver (20 years) I WILL NOT go to Mexico in a truck...period. I travel Canada year round.

In Mexico:
The roads suck, they are not truck friendly, the law is worse than the cartels when they suspect you have money on you. Insurance and national laws regarding accidents etc etc...are totally insane. When was the last time you were asked to cough up the estimated cost of an accident ON SITE in the US?

An illegal, will not be driving a truck....not legally anyway. Federal laws provide for much worse penalties than you can imagine. Civil law, will hold the deep pockets of the companies liable for accidents etc etc.

Less wage??? There are minimum wage laws in America....although they do not apply to truckers. If I do the math ...time away from home, divide by $$ I make... it's above minimum.

But the trucking industry is one of the most overlooked areas in the US for unfair labor practices..... AND it is caused by YOU the consumer.

I pray every day that America will get so tired of "dangerous" trucks that they pass such restrictive laws, if forces the CONSUMER to have to pay truckers a fair wage.

Think about $5 for a bottle of coke....then go back to bed. OH what bed? Couldn't afford one...it cost over $6K for a mattress.

Answer 5

It all depends on where you are.
My husband was killed by a Mexican citizen driving drunk in an unregistered vehicle with no insurance. He had a green card.
He was convicted of intoxication manslaughter, went to prison for "two years," and was deported. Odds are he came right back.
Now, the city police in my town aren't even allowed to ask if someone is illegal or not. They leave that completely up to the I.N.S., and don't do anything about it.

I think companies should be allowed to hire legal workers for legal wages, period; race or ethnicity shouldn't be a factor. As for illegal aliens, they're breaking the law. I don't understand why they are being made out to look like martyrs. Their president is encouraging and endorsing the border crossings. But have you ever considered emigrating to Mexico? It's practically impossible, and if you manage to do it, you're bound by all kinds of rules & regulations, forbidden to hold public office or vote, or serve in the military, and can be deported at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

Why do people think it's wrong to expect immigrants to abide by the policies & procedures of the U.S.? There is a legal way to come here. Plenty of people manage to follow the rules. Why not all?

Answer 6

If the Swift employees were legal, how did the INS clean them out a few weeks ago? And there is no incentive for legal aliens to work for less than standard pay. In fact, there are LAWS against that. So don't bother lying about their status. Illegals that get caught SHOULD be deported, but there are so many of them that we will probably have to settle for identifying them and making them play by the rules until they can get their green cards. The problem with illegals is that they really DON'T have any rights. That's the logical result of BEING ILLEGAL. Yes it's a shame that families can be broken up. But that was the choice THEY MADE.

Oh, and there's no such thing as an 'illegal citizen'.

Answer 7

I don't care that Swift hired LEGAL minorities. But the illegal ones were using stolen IDs, and they didn't go through the right channels to get here legally. We shouldn't ignore this at all. Yeah, I sort of feel for the kids, but it's the parents' fault. Just because you come to America ILLEGALLY and pop out several kids who ARE legal, well then you're in for a world of hurt when you get separated. I'm sorry, but it's their fault for not following the rules.

I have to follow the laws of the United States and my state. I don't see why illegal aliens should be exempt from any of them.

Answer 8

To answer the last part of your question: I will use for an example- An illegal gets in a TRAFFIC ACCIDENT and KILLS SOMEONE. They have no license(therefore, they have no knowledge of our TRAFFIC LAWS and have not demonstrated that they can COMPETENTLY OPERATE a MOTOR VEHICLE by taking a driving and written test), and they have no insurance(which means they cannot cover liability, and they drive up rates for INSURED, LEGAL drivers). What do the police do? I would hope punishment to the fullest extent of the LAW. (Yes, these are LAWS we're talking about, not abstract philosophical concepts or friendly suggestions!)

Answer 9

How can you be against hiring legal immigrants? Of course it's fine.

They will not crack down on businesses hiring illegal immigrants because it will hurt certain businesses and drive up prices. What they should do is make it criminal to hire illegal immigrants, period. Get rid of the "knowingly" wording that the law currently has and put the onus on the company.

Anytime an illegal immigrant is found he/she should be deported. Period.

Answer 10

Seems that the line of people seeking jobs at Swift stretched out of the building and into the street. As strange as it might seem, there are a lot of citizens who are trying to get these jobs that, supposedly, only ILLEGALS would do. So let us throw this whole won’t do the work argument out the door and crack down on ILLEGALS.

Source:
Rocky Mountain News

Answer 11

INS has a law laid a long time ago for companies. If employees are documented to work, let them and leave them alone. Regardless of your racial preference, everyone in America are still entitled to work and to pursuit the same happiness you and I dream for. Stop being the world police good gracious!