Murders and Child abusers are saved through faith in Christianity, so eventually we are all saved?

Question

Regardless of what we've done, or when we decide to accept the Christian belief system?

Why does this not make sense to me?

Answer 1

It is much easier to gather fruit that has fallen to the ground than fruit which still holds firm.

Answer 2

Even people who've committed very serious sins can be saved through faith in Christ, but they have responsibility too. It's very clear that we have to repent of our sins to be saved. True repentance means exercising our faith in Christ and asking for forgiveness and then doing everything possible to try to make restitution for our sins and live the commandments from now on. That is, a person who continues the same sin has not truly repented, because repentance involves changing our hearts in such a way that we will not repeat the sin in the future. This is basically a life-long pursuit. But if we are constantly trying to be better, God will help us and we can be "saved".

As you can see, not all Christian sects believe the same things about the qualifications for being saved.

Answer 3

We are not able to judge or to understand by our own fallen capability to reason the love of God.

There is no law against love. Is there a law against God, who loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten son that whosoever would believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life? Is the law of reason against him?

Isaiah 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Answer 4

No, we're not all saved. Being saved means believing that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. Example: If you murdered someone then your about to be hung, if you ask the Lord to come into your heart, and confess you are a sinner, then you will be saved.

Answer 5

nice legs by the way,

That way of thinking is not correct. If you remember the account of Noah and the flood. Persons living everyday life were destroyed. (ie not sent to hell). They were destroyed because they refused to pay attention to the warning they were given by Gods spoksman, which at that time was Noah. So a person has to repent from their sins or course of action(s). Also remember 3 types of persons will not live,

1. Persons that are destroyed by God
2. Angels
3. Wicked Persons

Although it is God that chooses who lives and dies, he does give warning and also allows time for repentence. He is a happy God and therefore does not want anyone to be destroyed.

Answer 6

No. Murderers and child abusers are saved ONLY if they accept Jesus into their hearts as their lord and savior. You may consider these acts bad and not worthy of getting into heaven, but what about all the wrongs that youve committed? They may not seem big to you but they are to God until you ask for his forgiveness and admit that you are a sinner. There is a free gift of salvation, but you have to ask for it and be willing to give your life to Jesus.

Answer 7

Ah! But you see that is the whole point.

Christianisty is not a system of spirituality based on a curve. There is no "I did better then he did, so I pass and he fails." Beside, if we made it to heaven based on how well we did relative to others, what would the "pass level" be for entering heaven. Most of us fall between Charles Manson and the Pope. But somewhere between there would be a line. One good dead above that line and your "in", one sin below that line and your "out".
So for the sake of one small sin, the poor guy who is "out" spends an eternity in hell. That hardly sounds fair, when the guy who did one less sin makes it in. But that is what happens if you base salvation on being better than the average person.
Therefore, it makes sense that salvation might have some other basis.
Christianity says it is pass or fail, one answer test. Did you sin? yes. Then you fail. But we all have sinned, so we have another chance, with a new question. "Do you repent of your sin and accept Jesus's gift of being a sacrifice for them.?" If you say yes, you pass.

Now if you say No, is there still another way? None, that I personally know of. But, really, if there is another way for someone who says "no", that would be between God and that person, anyway.

So, yes that means that everyone from Charles Manson to the Pope can be saved in Christianity. And that is very good news to the guy who would have been one sin below the cut-off, not to mention someone like Chalres Manson. Becuase, no mater what you have done, you are not beyond the reach of God. It also means, no mater what you have done, you can't earn Him, you just have to accept Him.

Now people, of course, talk like going to heaven and avoiding hell is the goal of it all. Not really. People, like that, make heaven sound like a 5 star resturaunt and hell sound like a greasy spoon diner. But, you see, its not about the place you eat, but the company you keep. Heaven is where God is, Hell is where he is not. So, it makes sense that it not so much about what sins you have done, but what is your relationship to God.

Any sin, is an act of defiance toward God, a slap in his face so to speak. So needless, to say something needs to be done about it before you can spend all eternity with Him. That's where Jesus come in. Jesus's death and resurrection is God's way of offering forgiveness to us. (Remeber in Christianity, Jesus is God.) Now we can say, "Yes, I'm sorry. I know I messed up and will still probably. But I want you to know that I appreciate what you have done for me and will do my best from now on. Let's be friends." (or something like that) or you can just thumb you nose at him.
So it's all about your realtionship with God.

I hope that makes better sense to you.
God Bless.

Answer 8

You're right in what you said-- that is what the Christians believe. The basic tennant of that faith is that Christ has already died to "pay" for all the sins commited by man. We have a "gift certificate" so to speak-- he's already put the cash down, we just have to "redeem" by asking God for forgiveness for what we have done.

I Have to admit that I agree with you 100%-- it doesn't make sense to me either, but it really makes sense to quite a few people out there.

Personally I think its just easier for people to believe in the Get-out-of-jail free card than it is for them to believe that they have to be responsible for their actions.

*shrug* Go figure.

Answer 9

I understand what you're trying to say. I think the general consensus within the Christian community is that you have to accept God in your life and repent to be saved

Answer 10

about the usual mix of answers. Some of the people should know the answer as I've seen their names before.
You are forgetting that thing called the SOUL. which is a spark of the CREATOR. made before the creation of the physical universe.
These sparks will be called back to the CREATORS body and received as prodigal children.

Answer 11

Today's Christianity Not Jesus' Religion*

[5:72] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers.

[5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution.

[5:74] Would they not repent to GOD, and ask His forgiveness? GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[5:75] The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate!

[5:76] Say, "Would you worship beside GOD powerless idols who can neither harm you, nor benefit you? GOD is Hearer, Omniscient."

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*5:72-76 In John 20:17, we see that Jesus taught that he was neither God, nor the son of God. Many theologians have concluded, after careful research, that today's Christianity is not the same Christianity taught by Jesus. Two outstanding books on this subject are "The Myth of God Incarnate" (The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977) and The "Mythmaker" (Harper & Row, New York, 1986). On the front jacket of "The Mythmaker" we read the following statement:
" ...Hyam Maccoby presents new arguments to support the view that Paul, not Jesus, was the founder of Christianity....it was Paul alone who created a new religion through his vision of Jesus as a divine Saviour who died to save humanity."
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Sura - 70 The Heights (Al-Ma`aarej)
Order Of Revelation 79, Verses: 44


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