The chance of any one man fulfilling just eight prophecies has been calculated by Peter W. Stoner in Science Speaks at 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 -- yet 60 major Old Testament prophecies, having 270 ramifications were fulfilled by the life of Jesus.
So get out the calculators.....what are the odds???
2006-12-22 18:05:58 · 20 answers · asked by ? 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
There aren't any. May God Bless
2006-12-22 18:12:29 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Let's get out the calculators indeed.
Many of the "propheseys" in the old testament weren't even propheseys, but simply a new look at an old writing interpreted as prophesey.
Some of the "propheseys" haven't even been fulfilled yet. Jesus has yet to rule over Judea, but this is often interpreted as a "fulfilled" prophesey.
Lastly, we have no proof whatsoever that the New Testament is historically accurate regarding things such as the actual details of the birth, life, experiences, death or resurrection of Jesus. Someone intent on proving that Jesus was the Messiah in the first few centuries following his death could easily have tailored their stories to corroborate details found in earlier scripture.
So, using odds, using occams razor, which is more likely... someone came along that fulfilled earlier scripture, saying he would come back soon, but not having done so, so thousands of years later, we still wait.....
or.....
A popular spiritual leader dies, and a cult surrounding him creates a new tradition using old testament prophesey as the basis for the new cult?
Oh yeah. No mathematician can even remotely begin to calculate things such as the odds of someone fulfilling such propheseys. There are too many estimates that cannot be calculated, and picking a number out of a hat just doesn't work. It's like saying "What are the odds of a person named opa9q0348257sihtp being born in Saskatoon?" With a random element, calculating odds is impossible.
I know where Stoner came from , and I understand some of his calculations, but they simply don't make complete sense. Sure you can calculate the odds of being born in a certain town. Then you multiply that by the next variable, etc. But when you start calculating such things as being born of a virgin, or break none of his bones, etc. The results are meaningless. Sorry.
2006-12-23 02:22:21 · answer #2 · answered by Deirdre H 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It would be incredible, if you could prove that those prophecies were actually fulfilled, or that the man Jesus Christ actually lived.
There are no contemporary histories. The historical writings most often cited (Josephus, Tacitus, Justin the Martyr, Pliny the Older, Pliny the Younger, Lucian, etc.) were born decades after Christ's alleged crucifixion.
The earliest known document which mentions Jesus Christ is the bible, and let's face it: a book that talks about ghosts, miracles, and angels impregnating virgins can't really be taken seriously as a reliable historical document, now can it?
Oh, and just for shits and giggles, here are some biblical prophecies which were never (and cannot) be fulfilled:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html
2006-12-23 02:15:23 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Ok, so the writers of the New Testament had never read the Old Testament? I'd like to see someone prove that one. If the Bible contains prophecies that are fulfilled within itself then a Superman comic book series is prophetic.
2006-12-23 02:14:45 · answer #4 · answered by AiW 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Tell me, was Jesus aware of these old testament prophecies? He was a jew, right? He was surely aware of what he was supposed to do to make theses prophecies "come true".
2006-12-23 02:11:22 · answer #5 · answered by Gorgeoustxwoman2013 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I can tell you this much Christ was either exactly what he said he was or he was the most insane person that ever lived and made everyone who followed him as nuts as he. Thomas Aquinas' beautiful deductions, amoung others, prove this much.
2006-12-23 02:12:41 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
OMG. The notion of being SO desperate to prove your 'salvation' that someone goes out and actually tries to create a mathematical proof that Jesus was anything but a guy ahead of his time is SO ludicrous and sad that it beggars the imagination. Keep it up dude, every time you open your mouth you dig a deeper hole for yourself.
2006-12-23 02:12:37 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
About the same odds of the big bang theory being true.
2006-12-23 02:13:04 · answer #8 · answered by Gary M 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
10 to the 17th power
2006-12-23 02:12:17 · answer #9 · answered by Rhett3147 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I can prove that he did not fulfill the prophecies. The messiah was to be of the line of David, but Jesus was not. His father was not Joseph (remember the virgin birth) who was reportedly of David's line. His father, according to you christians was god, who was not of David's line. Explain That.
2006-12-23 02:11:28 · answer #10 · answered by Nemesis 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
There is zero odds he is who he says he is and will always be the one and only savior.For those of you who doubt him I sure will be praying that you will change your mind and come to know him as your personal lord and savior, if not i hate to say it but you will find out the hard way when you burn in hell for eternity.
2006-12-23 02:15:28 · answer #11 · answered by Gina S 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋