I don't believe in the trinity but i believe in God and the Jesus was God's son.?

Question

This is a question for those who truly understand and believe in the trinity. I want to understand what it's really saying and why you beleive it, more then one bible passage to prove you point would be REALLY helpful,

Answer 1

TheTrinity

There are many verses that point to a trinity and clearly explain how the Trinity works.

I would like to start out with one of the key verses regarding Christ.

In John 1:1-3 we read:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

This passage clearly tells us that in the beginning there was someone who was with God and who was Himself God.

All things were made through Him. This would mean all things were created using Him. Without Him nothing was created.

In Him there was life and that life was the light of all mankind, but those that were in darkness did not understand the light.

Lets jump to verses 9-10 and read:
9 That was the true Light of the world, and the world was made throught Him, and the world did not know Him.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

Remember, I said that these passages were about Christ.

He was with God from the very beginning.
He was God from the very beginning.
He created all things, nothing was created that he did not create; but all things were created through Him, which means that there was a creator that worked through Him.
He was life and the light of mankind that overcomes darkness. He was in the world that he created, but he was not known by the world.

Moving to verses 11-13 we read:
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Jews were declared to be the chosen people of God, so He came to the Jews and they did not receive Him.

To those that did receive Him, he gave the right to be children of God.

Those that did receive Him were born:
not of blood - (but of Spirit)
nor of the will of the flesh - (of lustful desires)
nor of the will of man - (of the planning of man)
but of God - (only God can place His Spirit in mankind)

Before we go any further lets look at John 3:3 and read:
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Here Christ speaks of being born again.

Lets continue to see what else Jesus said, moving to verses 4-8 we read:
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again'.
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

In verse 5 Jesus speaks of being born of the water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. He also speaks of the Spirit being like the wind; you can not see it but you know that it is there.

Lets go to Ezekiel 36:25-27 and read:
25 "Then I shall sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them."

From this passage we see that:
The water is the baptism which cleanses us and removes from us all uncleanness.

The Spirit is the Spirit of God to live in us. He causes us to walk by the statutes (laws or commandments) of God and to keep His judgments (ordinances) and do them.

Returning to John 3:9-12 we read:
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?"
10 Jesus answered and said to him, Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things and you did not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

When Jesus says 'We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness', the We and the Our is speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

In Matthew 28:18-20 we read:
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying,"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."Amen.

Here is the trinity again. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Returning to John 1 we stopped with verse 13. Now, in verse 14 we read:
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now we read that the Word becomes a man and He is the only Son of the Father which is in heaven, and the Son is full of grace and truth.

Now remember that this Word was with God in the very beginning, and now this Word has become flesh and dwelt among His people and John who is writing this said He dwelt among them, full of grace and truth.

To complete the proof texting for this assumption, lets go to John 17 verses 1-3 and read:
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Moving to verse 5 we also read:
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Twice Jesus has asked His Father in heaven to glorify Him, but the second time He makes it clear that he had that glory with the Father before the world ever existed.

Glorify means to exalt, honor, and magnify.

Now, in case you think that I adovcate that the trinity is polytheistic, consisting of three gods, I do not.

Lets see what Jesus said in John 5:19,20 as we read:
19 assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.

So these are not three separate and distinct entities that can each operate on their own, but instead all are dependant on the Father, the one and only true God.

Now, with all this in mind; lets take a fresh look at Genesis 1:1-4 and read:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of god was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 1:1 shows the Father.
Genesis 1:2 shows the Holy Spirit.
Genesis 1:3 shows the Father speaking, and the Word creating.
Genesis 1:4 shows the Father looking at what the Son has created and declaring that it is good.

Answer 2

First off I believe in the trinity, and their are alot of people who don't believe in the trinity posting on here. Please do not pay attention to them. They are trying to bring you something other than what the bible says. If you want to know what the bible says first off read it. I will give you what I know and have learned. But check everything I say with scripture, and ask me where I found what I am telling you. Don't just take peoples word for it, otherwise, you will just be led astray/

Jesus said in revelation that he was the Alpha the Omega, the begining and the end. In the Old testament God says He was the first and the last. And Jesus also said He was the first and the last. So is Jesus blasphemous for stating that he is God. He said The Father and I are one. He said Before Abraham was "I Am." They wanted to kill him at this point because He said He was God. The trinity isn't in the bible. But it is something that is explained in the bible. God is Jesus and Jesus is God.

Someone told me once that a person has many names.

They can be a Father,
a son,
a brother,
a woodworker.

So why can't God have 3 names. After all, He is refered to as something like a thousand different names... *dont quote me on that but it is a large number. A name in the Old Testament was a description of a persons character. If I was always sick. I would be called Sickly. Which was the name of one of the husbands in the book of Ruth.

Answer 3

Well, first of all... you must know that not every single word (verbatum) in the scripture was commanded by God to be where it is now. What I'm saying is that MAN, in general, has had an influence on the composition of the scripture and how certain words have been changed around, some have been ommitted, and some have been added. i will add that these changes are all to help better the way we interpret scripture or better yet, to edify His Word. In addition, the word 'trinity' is not necessarily biblical but it's only a short version of someone saying.... "I believe in the God of the Old Testament= Jehovah. I believe in the son of God of the New Testament= Jesus. I believe the 'Helper' of the Day of Pentecost= Holy Ghost." All these three characters are ONE... just different expressions of God. This is where we got Trinity or should I say 'Trinitarian God'.

I don't know how else to explain it but if you really want to understand why we believe in the Holy Trinity.... read Genesis thru Rev.

Answer 4

God the Father
God the Son
God the Spirit

One what, three whos

If you dont believe in the trinity, Ask yourself about the following verse.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."—John 14:26.

2 Corinthians 13:13 is the earliest evidence for a tripartite formula. In 2 Corinthians 13:13 Paul wishes that "the grace of the Lord Jesus, the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit" be with the people of Corinth

The Gospel of Mathew the three part formula appears in Matthew 28:19. In this verse Jesus commands the diciples to go out and baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." This verse reflects the baptismal practice at the Mathew's time

There are other references to the trinity throughout the Old and New Testament.

Answer 5

You are two-thirds of the way there to believing in the Trinity. What others here have said about the Holy Spirit is true. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity [defined as one God in three persons, equal and distinct].

Answer 6

Call it a trinity. Call it whatever you will. God is the Father. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus called Himself the Son of Man. Jesus said if you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father. The Holy Ghost is also God. God is also the Word. God is the Great I Am.The Creator. Jesus is King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. It is all God. This is Biblical. This is truth. Look for yourself. Anything else?

Answer 7

I appreciate your honesty. There are literally too many verses that show this truth to properly present on this forum.
I'll give three:
God the Father calls Jesus God:

Hebrews 1:8
But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Disciples call Jesus God:
John 20:27-29
Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Jesus Christ Himself claimed the titles only reserved for God:

John 8:58 -
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.

Rev 1:8 -
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Answer 8

It is written I AM the LORD thy God one LORD.

I AM is eternal existance. Always. Everlasting.

LORD is Yahweh

God is Elohim and that is plural of El.

One is AKD in Hebrew and means united.

In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earths. Elohim said, "Let us make mankind in our image.". We are made in the image of God, a human shape, soul & spirit.

God is Father, Word & Holy Spirit. I believe the Father is the Soul Part. He is too bright & strong for us to look upon. Jesus is the son of man physical shape and is the Logos/ reason /Word of God. He was in the Old testament also. To Moses. The ancient of days in Daniel. The Angel who fought with Jacob and exalted Jacobs name to Israel. The Yahweh that visited Abraham with two other Angels. The I AM to Moses & the Cloud & Pillar who led Israel. The Holy Spirit is also in the form of a dove or the fire flame over the anointed on the day of Pentecost.

The best vision of the Trinity is when Jesus was water baptised and the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove rested on Him and the Father God in the bright cloud said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I AM well pleased.".

What you should do is pray in spirit & truth to the Father God and ask Him specifically and receive Gods answer & confirmation in your spirit.

Answer 9

God only knows.
You have to believe it all, or none of it, as far as I'm concerned. I used to think there might be room for compromise between the different ideas, but the more I learned about the manipulations of popes, emperors, and egomaniacs who wanted to control people over the years, the more I realized that it is all just marketing. The Trinity? The Holy Ghost? The Sun God?, The Son OF God? It's all just a sales pitch to get you to join a group and be influenced by mass hypnosis and the common pheromones of people standing, sitting, and kneeling next to each other and singing war songs to fight other people who do the same things in different colors or countries that own resources.
Advertising plays on your guilt with smiley kid faces and Christmas songs and spectacles of sports (pseudowars).
Jehovah was the jewish war god, you know. Peace is not possible with religion. Only 'our' kind of peace, which involves big cities with lots of soldiers. When people learn to worship the ground that grows their food instead of some invisible sky puppet, then peace might have a chance.

Answer 10

What are you telling us is that you don't believe in the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost), because the trinity is formed by God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a gift given to us by Jesus when he ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit is our comforter, teacher, guide, advocate and helper.

Answer 11

Father, Son, Holy Spirit - all Spirit of God - God in Three Persons - the Godhead - Elohim (which means Three Gods in One). All three Spirit but Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us - 100% man and 100% God.

Like - water, ice, steam - all the same but different too. Does this make sense? Like take a candy bar and break it in half - both still the same bar of candy - just two pieces. Like the Father and the Son.

Well I hope this helps. Blessings dear one.