Generational breeding of 'Designer Dogs'?

Question

There has all ready been a question asked today about designer dogs.

My question is are designer 'breeds' are dogs always a first generation mix (ex: golden/standard)??

Are these 'breeds' always a product of this type of breeding?

Being this is a new fashion statement in the dog world, the only ones I have seen are 1st generation mixes.

Are there second generation litters? The breeding of two doodle dogs??? Hopefully not litter mates or any other type of inbreeding or tight line breeding!!!

Have there been second generations or third generations?

Is generational breeding of designer dogs possible??? If so would this produce the 'desired' with somewhat predictable results or would extreme variations always occur????

How many generations of breeding would produce a standard breed?

Is there a true need for these "breeds"?

One last thing:

Would recessive genes be a major issue? Would this make a standard impossible?

One last thing:

Would recessive genes be a major issue? Would this make a standard impossible?

Why did that last part double???????

Answer 1

"My question is are designer 'breeds' are dogs always a first generation mix (ex: golden/standard)?? Are these 'breeds' always a product of this type of breeding?"

Almost always, it is called an F1 breeding.

"Being this is a new fashion statement in the dog world"

Not really that new, cockapoos and labradoodles have been around for years, it is only recently they started crossing anything with anything.

"Are there second generation litters? The breeding of two doodle dogs??? "

Rarely. The labradoodle was first started by a woman who wanted to breed a low shedding dog that was a good service dog. After trying for some years, the program was dumped as she found it was just not genetically possible, they would not breed 'true'. Then the scammers took over, selling them as "hypoallergenic" and "non-shedding" which is not always true. A Poodle cross has a 50/50 chance of having the Poodle coat.

"Have there been second generations or third generations?"

Generally not since the original program was dumped. There may be a few that do, but that is not the norm.

"Is generational breeding of designer dogs possible???"

Obviously it is possible, it has been done with the labradoodle, and also the cockapoo, I believe.

"If so would this produce the 'desired' with somewhat predictable results or would extreme variations always occur?"

It has already been shown by the original labradoodle breeding program, that the trait most desired, the Poodle coat, will not bred true in a cross.

The current Poodle crosses do not even use a certain sized Poodle. Some Poodles used are standards, some miniatures, maybe even some toys. How the heck could you even work towards a certain SIZE? You might have 20 lb labradoodles, you might have 80 lb labradoodles, I have seen both these sizes.

All breeds started off as a cross way back when. But it takes a group of people willing to dedicate their lives to it, as it take years and years of knowledgable breeding to develop a breed. It takes a purpose/job for the breed. It takes a standard describing the qualities needed to do its job.

Extreme variations would happen in the early stages of breed development, but type would become more predictable, IF they were actually trying to develop a breed. Of course, they are not, they are still at the F1 stage, nor do most of them have the genetic knowledge to do such a thing, nor do they care.

"How many generations of breeding would produce a standard breed?"

That would depend on the breeds used and the knowledge of the breeders. Not to mention that the stock used to breed these cross breeds are very poor representatives of THEIR breed (and their type may vary widely), as no good breeder would sell a dog to be used for these purposes.

"Is there a true need for these "breeds"?"

Well what is their purpose or job? The breeders main claim with Poodle crosses is that they are non shedding, which not only ALREADY exists in the Poodle, but is not true of the Poodle crosses.

If you are interested in reading about a real breed in progress, read about the Silken Windhounds (NOT to be confused with the long haired Whippet, of which there is NO such thing). They know what they are doing and are doing it right. They have a purpose as well, as there is no other coated, medium sized coursing Hound. They also breed true, I have seen several and wouldn't mind having one myself someday.

"Would recessive genes be a major issue? Would this make a standard impossible?"

LOL! Recessive genes are ALWAYS an issue, but especially for an emerging breed.

How could you ever set a standard for a breed that has no purpose? The standards purpose is to describe the qualities needed for the breed to be able to best do its job.

Answer 2

First of all there is no true need for these breeds, except to allow puppy mills to charge double for their accidents. I have heard that crossing them produces a healthier dog, but if the two breeds being crossed have many similar genetic problems (like Labs and Poodles) you may actually get a sicker dog.

The mutts can can be bred to each other, therefore producing generations. I am sure that some of the breeders have used inbreeding and line breeding on their dogs (i actually had a lady tell me that she could breed her two Labradoodles together even though they are brother and sister because they are different colors, which is inbreeding and is wrong).

The recessive genes wouldn't cause that much of a problem. Even in breeds that have been registered for a long time still get puppies that are not eligible for registration (like white schnauzers). Sadly, many breeder kill these puppies (especially white boxers) just because they have something that means they cannot be registered. It is very sad, but true.

According to AKC, the dogs can be registered with their FSS (Foundation Stock Service) once they have 150 dogs with a recorded 3 generation pedigree, an active national breed club, and a breed standard.

All that the "designer breeds" are is a ploy to make money, and it is the poor dogs that suffer. My local shelter currently has 3 Labradoodles and a Goldendoodle for adoption (they are all under a year old) because people go out and get them thinking that they are not going to shed (they do sometimes) and that they have these great temperaments (which many don't have).

Answer 3

Waiting for a liter of Aussie Botchi Doodles. Second generation "Designer" dogs, worldly mutts coming from Australia, Boston (America), Mexico and the standard poodle originated in Germany. Aussiebotchidoodles all day long. Sounds Dr. Suessish. Should be loads of fun. The Botchi Mom plays baseball, catcher and out field. Is this breed needed? It's a dog. Dogs are needed,. Documenting the design results and will perhaps create a circus act.

Answer 4

I hate all these new type of breeds, its pathetic labradoodle etc....its supposed to be trendy, but how pathetic, soon there will be only these mutts left in the world and no true pure breeds left

Answer 5

they are trying to make it seem like there is a need, but there really isn`t. no one 'needs' this kind of dog .. there are 10000`s dogs that die each year because no one wants them. we need to realize that those "designer dogs" aren`t as whole as some other dogs in the pound .

Answer 6

Designer dog = mutt. Always has, always will.