Pondering creation (metaphors). Do you agree with me?

Question

That Creation must have a Creator? Like a painting has a paintor?

Creation cannot creat the creator( a painting doesn't creat the paintor) , just like the creator cannot be created. He has always been there.

How can each individual person be created by chance? when you paint something do you paint it by chance? No right? you know from the start what you going to paint.

How can something come out of nothing like, some scientist say?
For something to be created there must be something there that created it right?

It would be impossible for the creation to know who the creator is.

After you ask who painted the painting and who created the paintor , it keeps going back till you reach the number, 1 and that one is God.

Remember the # 0 = nothing (read my last statemant on evolutionist theory.

Don't you get it.

To craig . Thats why creation took 6 days , and it was hard work even for him he rested on the 7th day

God Is One - Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:4

Answer 1

i agree, absolutely.

i don't see why evolutionists can't see this.

Answer 2

Instead of the cermaic model, which you hint at (see Alan Watts' work for more)...you could step into the fully automatic model that atheists like. Matter always existed and the big bang happened. There are tendancies and apparent laws - but things work automatically. We, by chance, happened - not created. No creator needed.

By calling it "creation" or "created" - you imply a creator, that is why it appears to make sense to have a creator. It is a leading question. Perhaps even a form of circular logic.

I know God exists and we exists because it is what God wanted - but you should be aware of the flaws in the argument you are using.

~ Eric Putkonen

Answer 3

Well all you do by adding a god is complicate the situation. The exact origin of the Universe always comes down to: _Insert belief_ was always here,

You say god was always here and created the universe. I just say the universe was always here. (No scientist says something comes from nothing-I don't know where you got that) I see no evidence or reason to add that second step. It creates more problems than it solves.

Now you have to ask where god came from. What were his motivations. The whole idea of Eternity-Finite Universe-Eternity seems pretty illogical to me. Why??? Who created God-you are the one saying EVERYTHING implies a creator. All you did was delay any real questions an added a whole bunch more.

Evolution is NOT a chance process as you characterize it. It has rules and purpose.

Answer 4

I assume that you are pondering the question of creationism vs. evolution theory. I must say that I have to agree that at some point, there had to be a creation of an original entity from where all this could originate. Also, i think that I would compare it to a blank canvas. An artist may not know what the canvas is going to hold at the beginning of his artistic adventure, but at the end, the canvas expresses the artist's ideas because of his ability to place his emotions on the canvas through his brush. So free will allows us to illustrate and accelerate through our eyes.

Answer 5

How many people do you know who created a masterpiece the fist time they laid pen to paper? A painting takes a lot of work and important elements often change in the process of creating a masterpiece from a blank canvas. Living things are far too complex and diverse to have been created instantaneously. Only a gradual process of refinement by natural selection could have created something so amazing.

Answer 6

I agree

If everything needs a creator, then who or what created God?



This question is logically problematic. If everything needs a creator, than no matter what exists, it must have been created. Furthermore, to be created means that someone or something had to create it. But then, who created the creator and so on? Logically, this would mean there would be an infinite regression of creators and we would never be able to find the first, uncaused cause since, by definition (the questions says that "everything needs a creator") there wouldn't be any uncaused cause. This would mean that the sequence of creations is eternal. But, if it exists that there is an eternal regression of creators, then who created the infinite regression of creators? Remember, the question presupposes that all things need a creator -- even the eternal sequence of creators -- which becomes logically absurd. Furthermore, if there is an eternal regression of creators that are eternal, then the question is not answered. In fact, it cannot be answered since it weakness is that "all things need a creator." Of course, this only begs the question in that how did the process begin? Therefore, the question only raises the same problem it asks and it is a question that, by its own design, cannot be answered. Therefore, it is invalid.
The question is better phrased as a statement: "Everything that has come into existence, was brought into existence by something else." This is a more logical statement and is not wrought with the difficulties of the initial question. In the revised statement "Everything that has come into existence," implies that the thing that "has come into existence" did not already exist. If it did not already exist but then came into existence, then something had to bring it into existence because something that does not exist cannot bring itself into existence (a logical absolute). This pushes the regression of creators back to what we would call the theoretical "uncaused cause" since there cannot be an infinite regression of creators as discussed above and since in infinite number of creators would mean there was an infinite number of creations and created things including things that cannot be destroyed since they would constitute things that exist. If that is so, then the universe would have had an infinite number of created things in it and it would be full. But it is not full. Therefore, there has not been an infinite regression of creations.
By definition, the Christian God never came into existence; that is, He is the uncaused cause (Psalm 90:2). He was always in existence and He is the one who created space, time, and matter. This means that the Christian God is the uncaused cause and is the ultimate creator. This eliminates the infinite regression problem.
But some may ask, "But who created God?" But the answer is that by definition He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.

Answer 7

So very true friend!
(1) That there is a great CREATION is obvious. The very fact of the existence of THINGS; the universe, the solar system, the earth and all myriad forms of life upon it, demands a CREATOR!
(2) The existence of great, immutable, powerful LAWS (and I speak of the "laws" governing the physical universe; the laws of science and chemistry; laws governing the action of water in its three states; the cleavage and fracturing properties of minerals; gravity, inertia, isostasy, etc., etc.). The existence of these great laws demands a lawgiver!
(3) The intricacy of complex design; whether the feathers on the wing of a bird; the eye of a fly; the breathing apparatus of a dolphin; billions of intricately-designed snowflakes; your own muscular, skeletal, digestive and circulatory systems-etc., etc., requires a great DESIGNER!
(4) LIFE exists. Life in myriad forms. You and I both know that life only comes from preexisting life! This is called the "law of biogenesis." Life demands a great LIFE GIVER!
(5) Life only comes from preexisting life of the same kind! Thus, there is procreation, and the sustaining of life on our planet; the constant recycling of falling trees, rotting vegetation; the bacteria which break it down to become food for the insects which are food for dozens of other creatures, which are in turn food for larger creatures, which are in turn food for man; the cyclical character of our symbiotic environment which, like a gigantic machine was once "wound up," and is gradually running down, requires a sustaining force. Inherent within this proof are the laws governing the "conservation" of energy" and the laws of thermodynamics. It is obvious our universe has a great sustaining force-a GREAT SUSTAINER!

Answer 8

The Theory of Evolution is so flawed that it would take a miracle for it to happen. God is capable of miracles.

Many ...believe in evolution for the simple reason that they think science has proven it to be a `fact' and, therefore, it must be accepted... In recent years, a great many people...having finally been persuaded to make a real examination of the problem of evolution, have become convinced of its fallacy and are now convinced anti-evolutionists."
-- Henry Morris, former evolutionist.

Answer 9

This has been re-hashed over and over.
Can something come from nothing? You say no, it had to be created by god. What created god? If you say nothing, then you acknowledge that there IS something that can come from nothing... so why not just the universe itself?

Creationism is a logical fallacy. The wisest stance is to just say, "we have no idea why or how we're here."

Answer 10

Yes ....good insight.
Excellent logic....exept for impressionism.