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You can't use something as proof when it's truthfulness is what is in question. Does this not make sense?

2006-12-17 18:29:13 · 21 answers · asked by EllisFan 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Joe R: so according to your argument, i exsist, if i write on a piece of paper, it exists, so if i wrote "all water is purple", then all water must be purple? No, its not. Writing something doesnt make it true.

2006-12-17 18:36:41 · update #1

I'm not an atheist, I think we were "created" by some higher form...i'm just not convinced it was by the god the bible speaks of.

2006-12-17 18:38:18 · update #2

FISH: Tell me one example of how the bible has proven itself (without using evidence from the bible to support your example, of course)

2006-12-17 18:39:44 · update #3

Love_2b: You are assuming all that you have been told is true. How do you know it was written by 47 different authors? I think one person wrote it, and then just said that it was a bunch of people to make it seem more believable.

2006-12-17 18:47:06 · update #4

Earl D: Nice work trying to make your point by getting personal. Let me respond. Everyone in my field knows that Freud was a quack, so you aren't enlightening me there. Also, i am going to be a counselor, not a shrink or psychiatrist or even a psychologist, so most of what you were saying doesn't even apply to me.
I won't be working with people that have serious mental illness, I will be a marriage therapist, helping people relate to each other better. We do not learn any specific methods or therapeutic techniques that according to you will be shot down in 30 years. We form a relationship with clients, earn their trust, and try to help them gain insight into where their problems are stemming from. It works, and its not "science", and no one ever said it was.

2006-12-18 05:07:57 · update #5

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The same thing can be said about Psychology, a soft science that's barely 100 years old, in which the founder has already been dragged into the mudd by his modern followers.

The first thing YOU have to take into consideration are the physicists like Plank and Heisenberg who say the MOMENT you observe something you change it's nature.

So how can psychology accurately measure anything if the observation pricipals change the field of play. It becomes a paradox.

Pavolv's dogs resonded NOT only to the bell, but to PAVOLV'S presence. His being there was an influence.

The counsellor is an influence. That counsellor's effects on the cousellees puts an extra ball into play on the pool table.

So, how can YOU then know what is truthfulness when your own presence alters the results.

Simply walking into the building changes the rules of the universe, according the physcists, at least.

And by the way, Freud got a lot of it right. He concepts of Totem and Taboo. His Libido, ID, Ego, Super Ego.

Freud even tried to counter the pool table problem by not having the person see him, but his presence in the room was still a problem.

YOu do realize by the time your are 40 the whole field will change and virtually ALL you learned, will be considered wrong.

Of course you have continuing education, but what does that do for all those people in the past that you let down because you were doing it all wrong.

Read about the randomists, because that's what you're embracing. Kaos, which means what you do one time won't work a second time on someone else. It's random.

It's playing dice.

Is it fair to charge someone $100 and then gamble with them.

Do they know up front what is going on.

Do they have advised consent that it's a gamble.

In the 1960's Shrinks were using insullin and electro shock theraphy and were still cutting sections of the brain out.

Today we dope them up with distance cousins of LSD and call it patient management.

I also burning in a house fire from one of those patients lets loose on the streets who didn't take her Chlonopin regularly.

Her lay counseller (MCSW) kept pronouncing her cool to return, as did her MD Shrink.

The was eventually arrested, detained in three psychiatric facilities for a full year and finally put into the group home I told her MCSW she needed, but wouldn't provide.

So, now go off, believe in your own PERSONAL "GOOD" books and prophets and relish in the fact you know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Until they change it all in 30 years again....

2006-12-17 19:24:03 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

You believe you are created? From a higher form? Who told you?
Christians use the Bible because they believe God made himself known in the Scripture, because of the prophecies fulfilled. The OT in its whole points to the coming of Christ.

2006-12-17 19:38:58 · answer #2 · answered by Sternchen 5 · 0 0

Have you read any other works? Perhaps Josephus? There are historical facts in the bible that will concur with other books in history.

If you are asking about faith in the bible, that is part of what being a Christian is. I have faith in the bible, because of the work and change that I have seen in my own life. So, if I apply the word to myself, and see life altering change, I believe in it's truth.

2006-12-17 18:47:59 · answer #3 · answered by 2ndchhapteracts 5 · 1 0

Because it has books in it written by many different authors who lived many thousands of years apart, yet they all are consistent and prove among themselves that there is a God and, (for a simple example), later authors documented events that God prophesied through earlier authors. The Bible is actually a conglomeration of 47 different books under one cover, therefore making it easier to cross reference events, promises, and prophecies.

2006-12-17 18:41:26 · answer #4 · answered by love_2b_curious 6 · 2 1

yes circular reasoning isn't alkways the best way to reach those seeking the truth. Try the website listed below as it mentions scientific articles, archaeology and the like. Honestly though the BIBLE is the only book where the prophecies that were spoken of have happened WHEREAS in the book of mormon, the Koran they're Not always hitting the bullseye know what I mean?:) Good luck, and may God grant you eyes to see the trusth. :)

2006-12-17 18:35:15 · answer #5 · answered by bkebrian 2 · 0 2

there are approximately 4000 manuscripts for the bible, and some of these documents were found in different locations, spread out over the world. they all agree and coincide with each other, they are Extremely accurate. oh and they're not all by the same author obviously. they all tell us the same info that's in the bible, i suggest you do some research as to howcome we rely on documents as a source of history.

2006-12-17 18:51:40 · answer #6 · answered by Nikki 5 · 2 1

That's like saying " You can't prove that the President is in the White House, by looking in the White House".

Besides, there is the proof of archeology, extra- biblical texts, obsevable data in nature: at no time has any arena of so-called science dis-proved even ONE WORD of the Bible.

2006-12-17 18:38:58 · answer #7 · answered by revulayshun 6 · 3 1

Ok, I already said I'm leaning towards agnosticism (though I know not what that word means). But I'm goint to throw the question back at you:

"Why do Atheists use reason as proof that reason is correct?"

2006-12-17 18:33:10 · answer #8 · answered by ragdefender 6 · 1 2

We believe with faith not sight. Just like I don't see your brain, but I know its there because you wouldn't be able to talk w/o one, etc.
The world wouldn't be possible if there was no God. How would it all be created if there is no God.
Gob bless you

2006-12-17 18:36:47 · answer #9 · answered by Will Bleed For Kicks 3 · 2 2

Only a fool would question the Bible's truthfulness. It has proven its self over and over again.

Lets see, the Bible said there were mountains in the ocean long before man knew. The Bible says be anxious for nothing and when I trust it I am calm through all situations. The Bible said Jesus died for my sins, and it is recorded in history.

2006-12-17 18:34:37 · answer #10 · answered by Fish <>< 7 · 2 5

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