There is no sure way to force a person to see your point of view, not accept it.
There really is no way to "prove" religious ideas because they are based on faith, not fact. As much as certain religious adherents wish to say that this aspect or that of their faith is a "fact", there is little that is provable fact in religion. And what seems obvious and straightforward to one person is nonsensical to another.
To engage in respectful debate, one should make sure that one uses spell check, proofreads ones answers, and is respectful to those of other beliefs. It is fine to say, "I don't believe that and I don't understand why you do." However, it is "not* fine to say, "You f*cking moron! How the f*ck can you be so stupid? I hope you burn in hell, you b*stard."
I'm sure you can see the subtle difference!
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2006-12-17 08:59:59
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answered by Chickyn in a Handbasket 6
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As I have stated on other questions..we often produce a lot of heat and very little light in the religeous forum.I believe that if we really know why we believe what we believe and have solid answers to share ,then to some degree we are affecting other's lives. Though at times,it seems quite fruitless.
I think that ultimately the best way "to prove religious ideals that successfully convinces people" is to live what you believe
Also,I think that sometimes we can "lose" an argument but win a convert....no question about it.
2006-12-17 08:59:51
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answered by bonsai bobby 7
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Belief and disbelief are two sides of the same coin. The Christian and the atheist, the Muslim and the agnostic, the Buddhist and the Jew, etc. The OBJECT of belief is not important, yet it is what the world focusses on. The real question is why believe in anything at all, whether it is in the existence or lack of existence of God? The most important thing is to start with the instrument asking the question, i.e. YOU - the human being. You are born into a certain environment and somebody else on the other side of the world is born into their particular environment. You have your unique nurture, education and experiences, just like the other person (like all people) does. The nature of knowledge and experience is to make conclusions. You are taught 2 + 2 = 4, that fire is hot and that Britney Spears is a lucky, talentless little hussy. Where God is concerned there is no reference point, so no conclusions can be made and in their place we have 'theories', 'beliefs', 'faiths' and 'opinions'. None of these are truth. By universal agreement we theorise that if there is a God, then he/she/it is infinite; omnipotent; above and beyond, so by it's very nature it cannot be contained in a little box, yet that is precisely what religions the world over have done, the only real differences being the things we just discussed, i.e. the time, the environment, etc. That is why the so called saints and mystics see visions of their OWN deities and saviours. The Christians will see Jesus and the Hindus Krishna and Shiva and so on. They see according to their conditioning and therefore their visions have no validity. If God, being limitless, cannot be contained by limited human knowledge, then no religion can be correct. The description cannot be the described, yet being the shoddy little creatures that we are, we fight, fight, fight in the name of our belief. We like to give them grandiose names like 'crusades' and 'holy wars', which if you look at it sensibly is absolutely ridiculous. How can war be holy? It is a contradiction in terms. We fight for our beliefs, so God goes out the window. We are fighting for one thing only and this is the answer to every problem on Earth since human beings began. We fight for this phrase: "I am right". Who gives a crap about Jesus or Muhammad? 'I' believe in him and 'I' always being right must show you the error of your ways. Naturally, I cannot tell the truth and say it has nothing to do with God, so I pretend that I am fighting for a sacred cause. Bullcrap. By coming to a conclusion about something that is beyond concrete knowledge, that's having a religious belief folks, we cannot possibly know if such a thing as God exists. This applies to the atheists as well, because by believing that there is NO God, they have stopped all enquiry as well. You notice how none of them can come clean and utter the words that are abhorrent to people the world over, i.e. "I don't know"? The sceptics fight with all their might to prove they are right and the believers (whatever their belief may be) fight to prove they are right. Like animals tied to a post in the ground they cannot move beyond their self imposed little circles and that's how we have the world in which we live today - massive technological advancements and what do we do? We BOMB each other. Learning the futility of our own egotistical processes would truly bring about Heaven on Earth, not as a concept, but as a living reality.
2006-12-17 09:21:28
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answered by Oliver T 4
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It depends on the debate. If it is a debate of religion vs atheist, then neither side can have a "sure way" to "win."
If it is a debate of religion vs science, then many times you can use the Bible (or Torah) to point to a passage and say someting like "2-4 thousand years later, science 'agreed'." (Though, honestly, many scientists, about 40%, believe that science is only possible because of God.)
If it is about religious issues, doctrine, etc., then your best bet is to use your religous, such as the Bible or Torah, find the passage and quote it (citing chapter and verse, of course). It also helps if you know who the text was written for/to. For example, some books in the Bible were written to specific people as opposed to everyone in general.
Having said that, I was once told of a priest who was on a talk show that was taking questions from callers. A caller was put on the air, spouted off his anti-religious speech, and hung up. The priest looked unphased and the host asked a question of 'how do you respond to that' or 'how do you deal with people like that'. The priest calmly said something like "Talking to him (or atheists, etc.) about religion is like talking to a eunuch about sex. They just don't get it."
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Take care.
2006-12-17 08:56:38
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answered by Kirby 2
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don't argue just discuss as there is a difference. I would really enjoy gaining more wisdom and knowledge from those who follow a different Religious Belief System as this way mutual respect may be gained. as far as I am concerned ( at the present time that is ) there are only two major differences in one Religion and another. through learning I can either prove or disprove my theory that the only major differences are the NAMES they refer to GOD as along with the Rituals and Ceremonies each perform in Religious Rites.
2006-12-17 08:59:58
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answer #5
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answered by Marvin R 7
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Absolutely not. That's the beauty of it. We all believe different things. It's interesting to hear other people's arguments for their version of the "truth", but there is no way to prove that you have the final answer. If you could convince everyone of your "truth", where would be the fun in that? I just look at this as a learning experience, I don't try to "win".
2006-12-17 08:50:57
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answered by Amanda D 3
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Nope. If there was a way to "win" one then the world wouldn't be in the state it's in today would it? It would have been "won" and proven long ago. The issue of religion, God, spirituality can't BE won because the answer is different for every individual, as we are each travelling our own path to the same end. Our souls are all at various levels on those paths on a spiritual level. There is no winning because there can't be a winner. We will all "win" in the end.
2006-12-17 08:49:39
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answer #7
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answered by LindaLou 7
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With the Birth of Jesus just a few days away speaks volumes.
Read & medidate upon the words in all of the Hymns during this time of year (O Holy Night, Silent Night, Away in a Manger, O Little Town of Bethlehem etc) to name but a few.
Kneel at the Babe/ read Luke 2, Christ's Birth in the K.J. Version of the Holy Bible.
Reflect upon the Cross, not just on Good Friday, but everyday.
Repent of your sins and receive Christ as your Saviour and YOU will find a tremendous difference in your life so long as you and God keep the lines of communication open.
2006-12-17 08:58:20
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answered by kidlet_animal_luv 4
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The only sure way to win any debate is to have fully researched your own position, as well as the position of your opponent.
If you aren't fully prepared to defend your position from any argument, then you're going to be left looking stupid.
And, if you aren't fully versed in your opponent's position, there is absolutely no way you will win the debate fairly (as opposed to brow-beating, talking over, or garnering emotional responses; these are all very unfair debate tactics).
2006-12-17 08:53:36
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answered by ? 2
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I'm not sure, but of the two people that I got into a "heated" debate with, I was able to not only shut them up, but actually prevent people from emailing them again.
I didn't even say anything rude.
I guess I just asked so many questions and had so many good points that it literally stumped them. They must not have been very strong in their beliefs.
Either that, or they were both just crazy...and I called them on it. (one of them kept calling me a bad mom because I'm not a Christian, and the other one actually said that a Revolutionary war would be the only way to solve the problem and compared pro-choicers to Nazis....her last email said, "let the war begin"...yeah, she was NUTS!!!)
2006-12-17 08:49:51
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answer #10
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answered by Heck if I know! 4
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