The Magic Mushrooms of Revelation...?

Question

Apparently, the author of the Book of Revelation (probably not St John) might well have been taking Amanita Muscaria, a kind of magic mushroom that induces bizarre halucinations.

Any reason to still think there's any accuracy or prophecy involved in it?

Answer 1

holy men and shamans have been using hallucinogens for invoking their gods and spirits since the dawn of time. calamus is a herbal hallucinogen that was used in the ointment the high priests applied their bodies before approaching the Ark of the Covenant.

Exd 30:23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred [shekels], and of sweet cinnamon half so much, [even] two hundred and fifty [shekels], and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty [shekels],

i don't know that the use of vision evoking plants discounts the accuracy of the visions but in order to come close to interpreting the cryptic symbolism and numerology of Biblical book of Revelation one would have to study not only the history and circumstance of the era in which it was written but ancient Hebrew mysticism as well.
i have my doubts that most of the folks claiming to know what the Book of Rev means has studied history or ancient Hebrew mysticism.

Answer 2

One could answer your question either way.
On the scientific level, who ever wrote Revelations was under the influence of hallucinogenic mushrooms which strongly effected the persons perception, which Psychiatrists refer to as a state of psychosis .
However Shamans practised divination with the aid of Hallucinogenic herbs to "open the doors of perception" and to enter the ethereal world of the gods.
Any prophecy can become reality if the idea is the basis of more than one religion and shared by millions of people, therefore becoming a self-professed prophecy, if religious fanatics in any nations wish to carry out the task of making the prophecy a reality.
I believe I may be correct in thinking that both Christianity and Islam have similar beliefs on the end of days.
If these faiths long for the out come of revelations, then they may just bring it about by their religious zeal, though the secular world would call it a third world war.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

Apparently, you introduce the mushroom hypothesis IN ORDER TO question the prophecy. Let us be clear that you don't have the slightest shred of evidence to support your hypothesis other than your wishful thinking.

When a prophecy is true, no mushroom or other such thing is involved. I believe the prophecy of St. John is true and God-inspired. The Church has believed so for almost two millennia. Who are you to accuse St. John and to doubt his prophecy?

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Answer 6

John Allegro proposed that some of the Bible shows influences of drug induced hallucination. It is at least as valid as the Biblical infallibility idea. As for Revelations, it is highly colourful, vague, rambling, and interpreted as `mystic`. It is Jewish cultural/tribal history, not Christian messages from the past

Answer 7

maximum Christians (a minimum of people who learn theology and understand the various varieties of literature got here upon in the bible) don't think it to be a blow by making use of blow account of the top of time. it particularly is stuffed with metaphors and photos or photos of what's to return. it is not to be taken actually, yet metaphorically. by using fact of this over the centuries human beings have theory it particularly is describing their concern and that hence the top is nigh. nonetheless, it does comprise some good indication that God is going to decide us for what we do and say etc and that there is a few style of reckoning on the top. The letters to the church homes in the early chapters are good, and can be utilized by making use of church homes as we talk as a type of measuring stick of ways nicely we'd be doing. God speaks to human beings by way of objectives and visions - in case you look atthe e book of Daniel in the previous testomony you will see comparable photos. it must be that John became conscious of this and that that colored his dream or imaginitive and prescient. I dont think of it became magic mushrooms, yet God.

Answer 8

Every reason,If You are saying you do not understand the beast with seven heads etc. that is because You do not read with understanding.that represents the seven churches {religions}
of the world,etc..I believe the words of John to be quite true
I have encountered Angels, Jesus has come to me,that I know
to be very real and true,I am very confident John was not tripping and partying,He had things very tough.

Answer 9

One reason is because it's the word of God and if it's the truth, and it is, then those things are going to happen no matter what people believe. In fact they're happening all around us right now. The world is gathering together to make war with Jesus when he returns just like it says in Revelation. Wake up.

Answer 10

The blame has also been laid on ergot fungus, a natural hallucinogen that occurs in bread and grain stored in damp humid conditions.

As for "magic mushrooms", these are seen to occur in areas where the ground has been "enriched" by animal excreta, ie in elderly cowpats. Could this make sense of God's command to the prophet Ezekiel to "lie on his side in the field with the beasts" for a period of some WEEKS with only "excrement" to eat. (Read imaginiatively, eating that which grows on the excrement of cattle?)

Ezekiel was rewarded by a series of visions, including "dem bones dem bones dem dry bones" spontaneously joining up together and demonstrating that the arm bone is indeed connected to the shoulderbone.

The finale was a glorious technicolour vision of the Temple Of God in all its detail (the way it is written has no relation to the temple built by Solomon - this is , I suspect, a Cabbalistic revelation of the way the Tree of Life fits together)

And as I've said before, anyone waiting for the events of Revelation to happen in our time is barking up the wrong tree.

It's already happened.

John was writing about the end of the Classical world: the fall and collapse of the hated Roman Empire that was already burning and persecuting Christians. What could be a more complete end of the world than the fall of Rome?

Also Christ's "Woe unto ye, Jerusalem" speech, and the speech about coming not to bring peace but a sword - he was talking about an event that would happen in the lifetime of many of the people who heard him prophecy, ie the Jewish rebellion of AD 70 and its eventual defeat by the Romans, followed by the expulsion of Jews from Judea. Again, a fairly conclusive End of the World as many Jews had known it.

Dear American Fundamentalists: there will be no Rapture and no End Times. These things happened nearly two thousand years ago. Get over it.


Added Sunday 17th Dec:-

Who am to disbelieve, Todaywise? (Well, who for that matter are you to beleive without evaluating what you've been taught? Where does your understanding of religious scripture come from?)

Me? Just a relatively well educated northern European who was brought up as a birth-Christian, and who in adult life read into Church history and theology in order to better understand the hodgepodge of several thousand years that comes to us as The Bible.

(Basically I think for myself and weight up and evaluate the evidence - I don't just rely on priests or pastors or holy men and accepting THEIR interpretation of the biblical text. Too many hidden agendas for one thing, like the way American fundamentalist Christianity goes hand-in-hand with right-wing neoconservatiove politics)

The idea that a lot of mystical revelation comes about as a result of deliberate or involuntary drug-taking is not a new one and goes back as far as the birth of Christianity. (And does St John of the Apocalypse not talk of being given to eat that which tastes sweet on the lips but bitter on the stomach, the better for his understanding?)

Where does American fundamentalist theology come from, thast it should believe and teach such radically different things to the more liberal Christianity we have in western Europe? This is worth a study in itself!