Global Warming?

Question

Here's a challenge for those of you who believe in global warming. Disprove to me that the other planets in the solar system are also warming up. Everyone I've asked to do so via e-mail hasn't responded.
Warming on Pluto (no factories)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html
Warming on Mars (no factories)
http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html
Warming on Jupiter (no factories)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2006-05-04-jupiter-jr-spot_x.htm?POE=TECISVA
Warming on the moons of the gas giants (no factories)
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/1998/B/199801653.html
A good sumup of planetary warming and more:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/05/global-warming-on-jupiter.html
You want more, say so, I'll edit this post to include it.

Clarification since I ran out of characters: This is a challenge for those of you who believe that humans are causing a strong global warming trend. I believe that there is global warming, but that it's much milder than most science says and that the sun is causing it.

Answer 1

Maybe new equipment is more sensitive to pickup the subtle differences on these planets compared to the data taken over how many decades...maybe there is a discrepency because of that.
Yes it could be a seasonal or cyclical occurance as some scientists postulate.
Don't forget too the gas/ environmental conditions on these other heavenly bodies... chemicals reacting to one another, maybe a new element introduced to their atmosphere we can't see like a meteor or something.... Basically as in the links the scientists are a bit baffled... Don't forget too that those planets are very far away and what data do we have on them? What maybe 50 years worth?
My job isn't to disprove the warming on other planets... there isn't life forms as we know it in danger there.
Our focus, our concern, our home (earth).
I feel (for decades) that as the dominant species on this planet with the conscious awareness of the damage we are perpetuating that we should stop it.
It's everyone responsibility who has the ability to participate to do something to improve the environment.
I'm not even talking about global warming...

Aren't you sick and tired of pollution??? (air, water, soil)
Aren't you upset at the illnesses (like asthma), mutations (like sea bird beak malformations), diseases (like cancer) are increasing along with how dirty our planet is getting?
Sure it makes nice sun sets but I'd like to breathe fresh sweet air, drink pure water that doesn't result from minutes of filtration and not worry about what I eat may damage my genes.

Sure, I'd like to ignore the evidence of global warming but I've been around long enough to hear about the arctic ice core tests long before this issue became so prevalent...(the ice is a time capsule of sorts... it even has ash from Mt. Vesuvius eruptions that killed the people of Pompeii and Herculaneum...I know that is pretty 'modern' history but it illustrates a point)
How can you ignore that the more pollution in the ice coincides with the temperature change on the planet?

You've provided so many links are you willing to look at mine?
This is a site for The Union of Concerned Scientists...and what they are about...
http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/
Some global warming questions and answers...
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/global-warming-faq.html#5

It's hard to tell anyone's tone in writing but you seem a little defensive about the whole issue. Are you afraid of being inconvenienced or something?

The whole point to me is simply to cut out our excesses and slow the warming trend down...
Sure it's possible GW is occuring naturally but why hurry it up?
It's like...
If you or someone you loved had lung cancer why continue to smoke (ultimately hurrying your/their demise) when 'you' could participate in a healing and prolonging of life?

That's my piece...

Answer 2

I expect that other plants are warming because the warming on Earth is related (by some of us) to a 600 to 700 year solar cycle. Naturally that could affect all planets. However global warming is really very slow and the changes rather small so detecting changes on other planets would be problematical.

Answer 3

Well, I am completely on your side. Because I am a person who really cares and wants to do something about this factor causing global warming. People don't realize that global warming is a real thing! they need to get off their butts and pitch in and save us and the world. Earth is counting on us. This year for Christmas i have driven to the close by Walmart and I am purchased enviorment friendly light bulbs that were on 74 cents. Which is am unbelievable price. Considering that i get the regular ones for about 2 bucks. I have purchased 10 light bulbs for each person who is coming for Christmas at my house this year. I have called them and ask they what they usually use around their house such as spray cans, the ones that spray with aerosol, Hairspray with aerosol, and other stuff. So i headed out to the mall and hardware stores and I have purchased the things they usaly use, but ones that are good for the enviorment.

At my house. My family likes to turn down the heat at only 55 degrees. (I am in MA) We have a pellet stove wich keeps the house nice and warm over the very warm winter. We have also cut down on trips and trips to the mall. So we can save money and have time to our selves then spending a billion dollars. Also in my house the electric bills have gone up almost 50.00 so we have desided that we wouldn't have the Christmas tree lights and house lights on when no one is really coming by our house and only put it in while the christmas vaction was happening.

I have noticed that over the last few years and talking to my parents about this that they said that when they and when I was a kid That it would be snowing in the first week of November and ponds and lakes would be frozen and waiting for pedestiants to skate on them. This year its already December and the tempeture is in teh 50s. Isn't that just simply amazing but very bad? Anyway it has only snowed about 1 time. It snowed about 3 days ago. we thought it was going to be a bad storm with the winds and everything. So we thought it was snowing all day but it was just winds blowing 1/2 of snow everywhere. It melted 3 hours after.

This is a real thing that is happeing to the world and we all need to do one thing to help save not only oursleves but our home planet, earth.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

no argument from me... i appreciate your backups to your statement...so, i like to inform you about a California scientist whom states, the rotational spin of this solar system in the arm of the Galaxy have seasonal patterns of warm and cool.... we are in the warm... cant back it up with no research on the author.....

Answer 6

http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/theres-global-warming-on-mars-too.html

Answer 7

""It takes time for materials to warm up and cool off, which is why the hottest part of the day on Earth is usually around 2 or 3 p.m. rather than local noon," Tholen said. "This warming trend on Pluto could easily last for another 13 years."
the same article is suggesting that like it takes some hours for things to heat up here, putting the same timescale in pluto's case this could be true there too.

it may truly be so that the solar system IS warming up. But here we're starting a somewhat dangerous trend.. instead of following the science of finding answers, we're looking for denials.

can you really completely deny the fact that there's several times more CO2 today in the atmosphere than there was back when there were no cars, industries??

The issue of global warming is much more of an issue of the CO2 content in the atmosphere.
we do have definitive figures on the number of vehicles, coal plants, and other emitting industries in the world today. It's not like someone's going around counting them.. almost every country keeps a record, at least of the big factories. We also have undeniable facts that these vehicles, factories do emit C02.

And again, we also definitely know how many C02 - absorbers the world has, namely the forests & all sorts of trees, alongwith a very few ocean-based organisms.

By comparing these figures, scientists have found out how much C02 is NOT getting recycled.. it's accumulating in the only other place it can.. the atmosphere. Analysis of atmospheric contents anywhere in the world will give you the same indication. Thats because gas mixes in very rapidly, and you'd very rarely find one body of air in one place having a different composition than another.

You ought to check out the movie An Inconvenient Truth. Don't believe in any of the rhetorics, theories, but take a look at the cold, hard facts presented there. For all its criticisms, this movie hasn't lied either by way of exaggerated nor by way of showing only half the picture. I've personally checked out the claims on the receding glaciers, and increasing C02 levels. They've been independently affirmed by many different unrelated studies. It's our media which likes reporting only half-truths, our scientists are a lot more mature. One scene that everyone must watch in that movie: In the last 650,000 years, the C02 level was never over 300ppm...

i found this data from http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/hotitems/storyDetail_org.php?sid=2782

"Atmospheric CO2 levels have increased from about 315 ppm in 1958 to 378 ppm at the end of 2004, which means human activities have increased the concentration of atmospheric CO2 by 100 ppm or 36 percent."

The global warming issue is also a plea to stop destroying the world's forests. Here's a tid bit from
http://instaar.colorado.edu/research/science_spotlights/press_releases/2002_townsend.html

"Scientists have documented increases in how much C02 is being produced by human activity, and concluded that only about half of that amount is reaching the atmosphere, said Townsend. So the carbon sinks on Earth taking up and storing the carbon molecules in the world's vegetation, soils and oceans must be immense, he said.
"If these sinks slow down or turn off in the near future, we could see much larger increases in atmospheric C02," said Townsend. "If cold tundra soils are sensitive to nitrogen, it raises concerns about what might be happening in other, warmer parts of the world where things can change more rapidly," he said."

Any lab experiment of a closed space filled with little excess CO2, will show that when you let sunlight into the enclosure, it heats up more than the rest of the open surroundings. We know this from theory as well.. the frequency-absorptions as well as emissions spectrum of CO2 molecules testify that they are very well capable of catching heat.

Finally, i'd like to say this: maybe it is true that the solar system is warming up. If so then this thing has been hapenning since a long time, coz only something of a very long duration would produce the kinds of effects were seeing on those planets. But here on earth, the climate of just the last 5 years has changed immensely. When was the last time so many extreme weather events, forest fires, famines and floods happened right next to each other, some simultaneously and others consecutively? Humans HAVE been recording their weather history since many years now, and no similar event has ever taken place globally. The Alpine snow is going to disappear in a few years, man, go check it out!

There are some coincidences in this world that can simply not be coincidences. We're seeing extreme weather change on one end, and extreme human contributions to the atmosphere on another end. Weather comes from the atmosphere. Put the pieces together. It may be that the solar system IS going to heat up. But those links you gave me only give a planet-wide pattern of a few degrees over a decade or so. Our planet's extreme temperatures (i mean the hot summers and the cold winters, taken separately, not added up like these newscasters do) have literally jumped. The average temperature may be in line, but the Extremes are getting worse every year. Shouldn't we at least give the Earth a chance to go through the warming cycle naturally? Or are we going to wait till the Earth starts getting extremes like the Moon, before we think about it?

Whether pan-solar-system or not, the current rate of ice-cap melting IS going to flood all the major coastlines in the world in the next 20 years. Are you ready to provide alternate living to 1 billion displaced people in your country, your hometown? Again, with most freshwater reserves dissolving into the ocean, how do you propose to share the few remaining reserves with the rest of your species? The issue of global warming is not just one of blaming a certain industrialist. These guys are seriously looking at things going wrong, finding out what's gonna happen next, and trying their level best to prevent the disasters which will happen if we don't change the current state of the way we live.

One of the first ways of solving any problem is to bring it to the surface, to let everyone know there is a problem to be solved. Are you sure you're not wrong in just plainly denying the existence of a problem, based on what your personal opinions are? At least hear them out. Again, i hope all readers understand this: Follow the science of finding answers, not denials.