Religion is really a touchy topic.....But riddle me this? Why do people think that GOD and JESUS are the Same?

Question

It states cleary.... GOD gave his only BEGOTTEN SON for our sins!!! It does not say GOD gave himself?

Answer 1

I think most people appreciate the difference. Most of the people I know realize that Jesus is the son of God.

Answer 2

I've just read such stupid answers they made me laugh.

Religion is a touchy subject, indeed, as shown clearly here.

According to most sects of Christianity, there is a holy trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The father is God, the son is Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, which is the paraclete, or advocate. They believe that these three manifestations of God exist as one, each serving a different purpose.

I thought the answer above mine was hilarious: "If you were born of God, you are God. What else would you be?"

You'd be human!

We may be part of God, or a creation of God, but we are not God.

Answer 3

Good question. This is how I see it, and some will disagree. Jesus was a human who personified the truth, Christ. Christ is God’s son and has existed for all eternity with the Father. God is infinite Life, Truth, and Love and fills all space. The man Jesus wrestled with temptation before the crucifixion when he asked that the cup be taken from him, but overcame with obedience to the Father and said not mine, but Thine will be done. It is impossible for God to die because there is no sin in God. The human Jesus did suffer a seeming mortal death, so he could demonstrate the final proof of God’s power and presence and love.

Answer 4

The Bible, especially the New Testament, teaches there is one God, but that God, unlike us human beings, exists in three Persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When Jesus gave the "Great Commission", He commanded the disciples to baptize the converts in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19) When the apostle Paul gave the benediction to the Corinthian Church, he mentioned all three persons in the Godhead, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2nd Corinthians 13:14). Both the baptismal formula and the benediction would logically require that the three persons, the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit would have to be of Divine nature, and not some lower creature.

Answer 5

Good question but, PLEASE TAKE ALL OF SCRIPTURE INTO CONTEXT! The apostle Thomas said: My Lord and my God! There is no ambiguity in what Thomas said and please don't put words into Thomas's mouth. Jesus did not repremand Thomas for calling him "God".

There are many other examples showing a inter-relationship of 3 persons yet, one God. In Genesis God said, "...let us make man in our image..." The words "us" and "our" are very clear. Yet, other parts of scripture emphatically say there is ONE GOD! I agree. So, how can this be explained?

The words "Son" and "Father" are titles not to be Taken literally. With the word "BEGOTTEN", this is in reference to the physical, mental, and spiritual parts of God. In creation the mental ALWAYS precedes the physical and spiritual.

DEMONSTRATING EXISTENCE OF THE HOLY TRINITY:

The HOLY TRINITY is defined as:
A term used since A.D. 200 to denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature, is three really distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The one and only God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet God the Father is not God the Son, but generates the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotten. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by eternal procession. The three divine persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration.

We need to know how we are created in God's image to grasp the concept of the Holy Trinity and I think your question is a good one.

To understand this better, chart it out or use a diagram of two triangles of equal proportions like the Star of David. This allows an easier understanding of the relationship between the Essence and Existence of a thing. The following words should be distinguished in the following categories: Physical, Mental, and Spiritual. These three words encompass everything in the Universe and make up the CREATIVE PROCESS to help describe the Creator, creatures, and creation.

God is spirit. He cannot be seen. If you were to examine all the creatures, the CREATOR has made a pattern emerges: angels and demons are intellectual creatures without a body; plants and animals do not have an intellect but a body and mortal soul. IT IS ONLY LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, that have a MIND, BODY, and SOUL. Only human beings have all three. Now, living, human, being is the existence of man. Those words describe the essence of man's mind, body, and soul. The Body is living, the Mind makes us human and distinguishing us from animals, and our Soul makes us the being that we become (good or evil).

Now, even Muslims will agree Allah is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), and omnipresent (ever present). These words describe the existence of God. So, what is the essence of God? I will hold off answering this question till the end.

Now, if you think about the existence of a person they have a triple existence: physical (body), mental (mind), and spiritual (eternal soul). In fact, whenever we create something it has all three of these parts. When we cook we have a recipe (in our mind), we gather all the raw ingredients, and we cook (don't burn it, ha ha) what it is we are making. Cooking has the physical, mental, and spiritual parts. Same with engineering or technology it has three parts: the blueprints (to convey an idea), the raw materials (physical), and the workmanship (spiritual). If something goes wrong investigators will look for a design flaw, material flaw, or faulty workmanship. THIS DEMONSTRATES CREATION HAS THREE PARTS LIKE THE CREATOR.

Now, in the Bible it says Jesus is the visible likeness of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15) The ESSENCE OF GOD IS: Father (mental), Son (physical), Holy Ghost (spiritual). ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE JUST LIKE A PERSON. THREE PARTS ONE PERSON. When you are sick you send for a doctor; when you are mentally troubled, a psychiatrist; when spiritually seeking you seek out a holy person.

Answer 6

Sean is spot on with his answer. The only reference to the Trinity in the King James version was removed in later versions as being of doubtful provenance.

The quote where Jesus said 'I and my Father are one' (in John 5) means, if you read the whole chapter, I'm telling you what my Father says; we are of the same opinion; we are at one on this.
Jesus must have been given all his instructions from God through visions, or dreams, or angel visitations.

In Isaiah, the prophecy says' He shall be great, and shall be called the son of the highest. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David' (A prophecy yet to be fulfilled).

At his baptism, a voice comes down from heaven saying 'This is my beloved son, in whom I am well-pleased' On the cross, Jesus calls out to his father 'My God, why have you forsaken me?', and 'Into your hands I commend my spirit'. Do these sound like someone talking to himself?

As another of your answerers has said, belief in triune gods was common; no doubt the Trinity was subsumed into Christianity when it became the state religion under Constantine, at the same time as Sunday replaced Saturday as the day of worship, in order to accommodate the sun-god worshippers.

I believe that 'Let us make man in our image' and other instances of plural in Genesis refers to angels. There's nothing in the OT to suggest that Jesus was around at the beginning; quite the reverse, in fact - Jesus was prophesied as coming, long after King David, as a descendant of his.

The reference in John 1 is to the plan that God had for Jesus right from the beginning, the idea (Logos, the Word) and shouldn't be taken out of context with the rest of the Bible. This was a vision sent to John - 'The Word was made flesh' doesn't mean it happened at the Beginning. Jesus wasn't around until 2000 years ago. It's a common belief by Christians, but it's erroneous. It does not make sense.

Believing that Jesus was a man, but without sin, who voluntarily gave his life, died, and was resurrected by God as a sacrifice for our sins, makes more sense than the belief that God somehow died on the cross.

Answer 7

Those that say that God and Jesus are the same are going by the statement of Jesus. He said, 'when you have seen me, you have seen the father.'

That takes a lot of explaination, but you are right, Jesus was and is the only begotten son, he was not the father.

Answer 8

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Answer 9

John 1:1 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among men." Also, when the angel appeared to Joseph, he said that the child born to Mary was to fulfill the prophecy that virgin would be with child and His name would be Immanuel meaning "God with us". There are many other indications in the Bible that He is God the Son. He forgave sin which would be ridiculous if He wasn't God (think about it). His disciples Thomas and Peter came right out and called Him God and Jesus accepted that title as well as their open worship, yet the Bible says you shall worship God and God alone. Also the Bible says all things were created for Him and BY Him.

Answer 10

John writes in John 1:1 "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." . John uses the term "Word" here to describe Jesus. Also Jesus says in John10:30 "I and the Father are one"

Answer 11

Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. He knows our struggles and has suffered and been tempted as a man in every way that we are. He is also everlastingly King of Kings and Lord of Lords! Even when Jesus walked this earth He was able to command storms to cease and raise dead men out of the grave. He is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all in one and separately as well.

If that doesn't do it for you then think of who people are separately and all in one. I for instance, am a daughter, a sister, an aunt, a nice, and a friend. I am not yet a mother but I could be some day. Look at how many different people I am and yet I'm only one person. Why is it so hard to believe that God being who He is can not only be three in one but also operate in separate forms to fit each difference. After all He's God!