Nonbelievers please answer this. How can you have so much faith in man theories and no faith in God.?

Question

As a Christian I believe in the bible as absolute truth. This takes faith in things I cannot prove or see. Many years ago a man took everything out of the bible that could not be proved by fact or history and ended up with just over 30 pages. Today that might increase by a couple hundred still well shy of the over 1700 pages in my bible. With my faith I take all 1700 plus pages as fact. On your side I hear you say science and math proves the bible wrong. I say you have to have more faith than I do. You take theories that men have come up with and use their numbers to try and prove these theories. I believe the odds of a man and a woman evolving at the same time in the same place takes more faith than Beliving in God. Carbon dating takes faith that carbon really does break down at the same rate over not just the hundreds or few thousand years they can get a date at but over millions or hundreds of millions. Especially when there can be variences over just a few hundred years.

Thank you all for your answers. Just so you know I was not raised a christian. I have looked at science that I believe proves some of my points. As far as carbon dating there is nothing 5, 10 or 20 thousand years old that you can show me an exact date it was made and then test to see if the carbon dating machines are correct. I think God has given man the ability to use science to learn more of how complex God is and math as a way to attempt the same purpose. I hope some of you consider the possibility, with the same open mind you want me to have, that God did create the universe you study and how awesome it is that He gives you the ability to study and understand it. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.

Answer 1

You make an interesting point. But I see science proving the Bible.

I guess the reason for unbelief is morality, backed by accountability. I guess people believe some how that if they don't think God exists, then they can justify doing what they want to do, without consequences. But we know this isn't true.

Answer 2

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Instead of parroting what an evangelical says about evolutionary biology or carbon dating or isotopes, maybe you should actually read a book on those subjects. Then you'd realize it doesn't take faith to recognize their validity or truth. It just takes a little bit of cognitive ability and literacy.

Faith is a bad thing. Faith, by definition is belief in something for which there is no evidence. If all it takes is faith, then by your logic any number of gods could be said to be true. Thor, Poseidon, The Flying Spaghetti Monster all have equal validity from your perspective of 'faith'.

The fact that you were born into a christian household or culture is incidental. If you'd been born to parents in Iran or Saudi Arabia you'd be a muslim and you'd be saying the same thing.

Faith alone is insufficient for coming to an understanding about the universe. As a matter of fact it is completely useless at discovering the truth.

Answer 3

!Sigh! Once again?

Ok, we'll run through thisone more time, slowly.
The bible, a work by men that was an oral tradition, then a written on in arameic, then translated to Hebrew, then Greek, then Latin, then english and rewritten many times in between. Oh yeah, and people are told it is the unchanged literal truth each time.

Science a continually self correcting process, as more is discovered, it says that it hs made a mistake and here is the correction. Science may start with theories, it however then goes out to prove or disprove the theories.

A lot of Christians: "I'm not listening to anything you have to say that is not in the bible"

Most Scientist: "You got a theory, let's put it to the test"

I know who I'm going with on this one, and no it isn't the bible.

Answer 4

Men's theories have been tested repeatedly with the same results

See on our side we make people give real evidence to their claims before we say they are fact
You just look to your book and declare it fact

Now more power to you, whatever floats your boat man and may it float you for your whole life.

I, being a different person with different thought processes, prefer to not be like that.

I find faith like your's a little frightening as you have no limits or reason to it. If you thought that book meant kill every little girl in a 400 mile radius then you would do so...that is a scary idea that one object could have such power over a person's actions.

You take the bible as absolute truth huh? Despite that none of it was written by God but by men and, as far as I remember, humanity is not perfect and/or superior to God.


I believe in a God, not the Christian God as doesn't seem real to me, and I truly believe that God did make the universe and everything in it. I do not think it just went "poof" and there it all was..I think God would have initiated the system we see today and let life progress on its own using evolution, gravity, etc to keep the system running. So to study the laws of science would be a sign of respect for the glorious creation God provided.


bballboy:: If you paid attention to it you could see it in the world today. People today are generally taller than they were 200-1000 years ago which can be proved by just checking out their dwellings and ships...that is evolution..the changing of the species. Look at all the races...all ideas lead that they came from one source but we all look so different depending on the areas they moved to and now we have seperate races of humanity...that is evolution. If the races were to seperate for millions of years might get to point where the races cannot interbreed which would make them different species

Answer 5

"man theories" as you call them, are based in evidence.
You can try all you want to dispute tried and true evidence, but you'll never be able to come up with any evidence of your own or an alternative to science which is based in the natural world.

Your pseudo science can't really be even passed as that, it is based in religion, there is no such thing as a "science" based in debunking a theory.

A good alternative to natural selection and brilliant minds observations about our world and space, which has brought man to progress very far and very fast BECAUSE of these discoveries, is NOT ADAM AND EVE and a Ghost who lives in "heaven". The Bible is NOT an accurate history book, nor is it a reliable source for the beginning of creation.
Creation is far TOO complex and the bible touches on about 1% of existence on earth present, future and past. Your explanations of "everything else is God's mystery" doesn't cut it.
I know I might as well be speaking a different language, because you are brainwashed.
Why don't you get your head out of your bible study cloud of retardation, and think logically for one second,
do you really think the ENTIRE scientific community, scholars, geniuses, geologists, physicists, astronomers, etc etc, are all in a CONSPIRACY against Baby Jesus?

You are REGRESSING as a human being by insisting on being stuck in mysticism and attempting to refute and dispute all progress man has made.

Believing in some crap Bronze age primitive men scribbled who had no clue what the world, the universe or the workings of our natural world were about, but only could think with thier primitive human middle eastern minds, wise men as they were, they were not brilliant. They were guessing and pretending to know, like so many do.
THANK GOD FOR SCIENCE BASED IN
EVIDENCE
EVIDENCE
EVIDENCE;

Answer 6

The Bible is full of inconsistency, incompleteness, and contradictions. Nothing of that sort should be held as complete "truth." It has good ideas, but only when they are taken at face value and not followed with the other frivolous things. It also has bad ideas, which should not be followed. In otherwords, to hold the Bible as the voice of an infallible god that may not exist is just what it is. Not very thoughtful. Whether a god exists or not, the bible is not it's voice.

Answer 7

Which story of genesis is the right one, and if one, why not the other? In a book containing self contradictions, some of it must be false.

Also your understanding of evolution is completely unresearched. Man and woman evolving at the same time? It would be unlikely if they were different species, but the big thing about evolution is that it requires men and women in order to reproduce. Species evolve, not individual genders within that species.

What luck it is that your head grew in the right spot in order to be upon your shoulders.

Answer 8

Your first sentences pretty much cover your entire argument... the Bible is absolute truth, and that means you have to take faith in things that YOU CANNOT PROVE. Why do that? Theories created by man are things that we CAN prove. Which choice is more rational? To believe in unproveable fairy tales, or to take heart to what educated men have discovered and analyzed and informed the rest of us about the world?

Science and math, unfortunately for you, DOES prove a lot of the Bible wrong. Pi is not 3. There is no evidence for a global flood. Men and women evolving at the same time is STILL happening to this day, regardless of whether you want to accept it or not.

You know absolutely nothing about science... like you said at the beginning of your argument, you take the BIBLE as absolute fact. There's your problem... you refuse to critically look at it; you put the blinders of religious faith on and just accept it at face value. That's irrational.

I highly suggest you attempt to educate yourself about things like evolution, carbon dating, and mathematics, because it is quite obvious that you know nothing about any of them to pass such judgments. Remove your religious bias and you'll be amazed at your discoveries... much like the people before you who have done so already.

Edit: To prove my point, as you can see, most of the Christian responses contain either poor grammar, poor spelling, false statements about science, Creationist tautology about not coming from monkeys, and re-hashings of the asker's arguments.

Answer 9

I have faith in nothing that isn't the absolute truth and since neither have that then I have faith in neither. But I have more trust in scientific theories because at least the people doing the research are making an attempt at finding the truth.

Answer 10

Man's theories as you call them are a lot more than theories.

When man has a theorie...he keeps working on it until it becomes a fact.

Your faith has no facts whatsoever...except for a book which was written by a few men for the sole purpose of dominating human kind.

Answer 11

My friend of faith; you are attempting to attack the enemy at his strongest point! go for the jugular! how about the commonly held false secular ideologies of our time??? the most pernicious one is the belief in "technological utopianism". This is one of the most widely held de facto religions of our time. "The oil will run out"..The answer from the utopianist is, "Thats OK; they'll invent alternative technologies to make the system work." This sort of foolishness is just a rationalization to continue in obviously self-destructive behaviors.

When the atheist looks disdainfully at the theist wondering how he could believe in "God". The theist should be holding the atheists feet to the fire about his stupid and indefensible "truths" that he is usually willing to send OTHER people to fight and die for. Stupidities like, "nationalism", "race", "freedom", "liberty", "money", etc.