Can also a protestant explain the following words of Luther?

Question

“We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all.” (Commentary on St. John, chapter 16)

1-Please explain how the Church that decided which books formed the Bible could have erred so much that he had to separate.

2-Didn´t he think his schism would mean that Christ did not fulfill his promise? (Mt. 28:20 - I am with you always, until the end of the age”).

3-Wasn´t he oblged to believe that Christ can be trusted?

4-And by separating didn´t he show that he did not have believe in Jesus´words?

Sorry guys. You haven´t answered my questions specially No. 2 which I direct to you now: Don´t you believe Christ words when he promised to protect HIS church?
The correct anwer was: 1 Jn. 2:18-21... many antichrists have appeared....They went out from us, but they were not really of our number; if they had been, they would have remained with us. Their desertion shows that none of them was of our number.

Since no one gave a satisfactory answer I select the less biased as the best

Answer 1

Is this Lex Luther?

Answer 2

1. Lay people were not allowed to read the Bible and the church was exploiting them. Read the history at that time and you'll get the idea. For example.... the selling of indulgences. Luther knew salvation was by Grace.

2. The schism was not his choice. He hoped to reform the church he loved. Christ is above all and he recognized that.... it's not the church. He was sorrowful about separating.

3. He did believe Christ could be trusted. That's why he followed Christ, even when it meant he would be excommunicated from the church he loved.

4. He believed Jesus' words, but knew that was not the gospel the Roman Catholic church preached.

You really must study this fully. I was raised Lutheran (Mom's side of the family) and my father's side of the family was Catholic. I've since had history courses in college that covered this. My studies for confirmation and studies in college lead me to know that Luther first and foremost chose to follow Christ, no matter what the church did. He loved his church and hoped to lead the church back to the scriptural truths. That's why he nailed the 95 theses to the door..... statements of things that were wrong and the scriptures to support his statements.

Best Wishes on your further study.

Oh.... and selling little bottles of "Mary's actual breast milk" was a bit much.... even for the Middle Ages. The Catholic church at that time was about money and power.... and they raked it in by deceiving the people. Luther knew it.

Sue

Answer 3

1) The church may have begun with the best intentions, but the church is made up of HUMANS, human beings make mistakes, and when given enough power, these mistakes can affect and upset a lot of people, which is what happened.
2) The church having been less than perfect is not a reflection of Christ, it is a reflection of humans being incapable of acting selflessly as Christ asked them to do.
3) He did trust Christ, he was trying to reunite people with Christ, that was the whole point "Christ alone, faith alone, bible alone."
4) He did believe in Jesus' words, he didn't believe in the Church's way of doing things at the time, half the priests weren't even Christians, just tax collectors. He wanted to bring faith and Christ back into the picture.

Answer 4

Luther acknowledged that the Catholic Church was the front runner and were the main body to bring the word of God to the people. HOWEVER, Luther broke away from the Catholic Church (see Luther's 95 theses.) The Church at that time was wavering from the very Bible they claimed as the word of God. The Catholic Church believed a person could pay his way to Heaven, they believed in Purgatory, etc. etc. etc. Luther knew that it is by grace that we are saved and not all this other stuff. As for Q. # 2...No. #3..Yes..and he did. He believed in Jesus words but not some of the other Catholic renderings

Answer 5

Commentary on St. John chapter 16:
I am amazed how much Romanists quote Martin Luther. Its almost as if they have a fascination with him or something.

To answer your question, Luther and the Lutherans make no bones about our origin and where we came from. So this quote from Luther is neither shocking nor nothing new. Luther in his writings before his excommunication spoke very highly of the Pope, to the point of asking his holiness to step in and correct the errs of the church. Also, the Reformers aim was never to rid the church of Romanism. Here is a quote that shows speaks to what I am talking about, "One of the first orders of business for the new Lutheran churches was forms of worship. As a reformer, not a radical, Luther wrote, "It has not now nor ever has been our intention to abolish the liturgical service of God completely, but rather to purify the one that is now in use."
Accordingly, Luther retained many of the customary worship practices: chanting, candles, incense, traditional vestments, the crucifix; in general, any ancient customs that served the gospel. On the other hand, anything that contradicted the gospel, such as making Holy Communion a meritorious sacrifice, simply was not tolerated. He also recommended restoring or reemphasizing practices that had fallen into disuse like the congregational hymn singing, a sermon based on the Gospel for the Sunday or festival and offering the wine in communion to the laity. "

Question 1:
I seem to remember it was the Ecumenical Church Councils in the 4th century that formulated which books were to be considered "Scriptures." The hope for the Reformers was to guide the Western "Latin" Church back to its catholicism. I guess my question for the Romanists is: If things weren't that bad during the 16th Century, why were the Vatican I and II changes needed?

2. The Lutheran Church still practicing Jesus Christ's (The Great) Commission in Matthew 28:19-20. Remember where two or more are gathered in Jesus' name, He is in our midst.

3. I don't understand this question. I think Martin Luther's words speak well to his trust in Jesus Christ.
"...By any consideration of body or soul you should never say: I am Lutheran, or Papist. For neither of them died for you, or is your master. Christ alone died for you, he alone is your master, and you should confess yourself a Christian. But if you are convinced that Luther's teaching is in accord with the gospel and that the pope's is not, then you should not discard Luther so completely, lest with him you discard also his teaching, which you nevertheless recognize as Christ's teaching. You should rather say: Whether Luther is a rascal or a saint I do not care; his teaching is not his but Christ's."

4. Remember, it was Pope Leo X that excommunicated Martin Luther. Technically speaking, it is the Pope that created the Lutheran Church and the Protestant Reformation. Luther's confession, " Unless I am convinced by Scripture or by patent, clear, and cogent reasons and arguments (for I believe neither the Pope nor the councils alone, since it is evident that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), and because the passages adduced and quoted by me have convinced and bound my conscience in God's Word, therefore I cannot and will not recant, since it is neither safe nor advisable to do anything against conscience. Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise! God help me! Amen."

I guess my question is, what is your motivation for posting up these Luther Quotes? Just wondering.

Answer 6

1-Please remember it is Man who chooses each thing each day because God gave Man choice and many of Men don't let God's will guide them. This is true for all Bibical and Non-Bibical Religions that Man makes the ultimate Choice even if it's not Gods will. Again it's also could be Man's interpertation of Gods Will. Many Men don't have psycholocial balance and tend to believe what they feel instead of what is Truth.

2-Christ filled what he was supposed too, again it's still Man's Will (choice) verus God's Will.

3-Again still subjected to the Man and again not all men were emotionally balanced with leads into false reality and fear which brings distrust.

4-Again it was subjected to his belief at that time leading to his choice. If he believed that the Church couldn't be trusted to say the words of Christ properly and convey God's True message than he goes his own path to start his own.

Answer 7

By separating from the EVIL ROMAN RELIGION he proved that he has believe in the words of His Lord Jesus Christ.

He remembered the word of God , MY Righteous shall live by Faith.

Being the Pope tried to be supreme above all mankind he made people to kneel and crawl on through the stairs to reach his EVIL THRONE to beg for forgiveness and to buy the token for redemption of sins for a certain period according to the value of money they pay.

Still the CATHOLIC CHURCH is full of evil.

Answer 8

Im not sure why you think Protestants care about anything Luther said? He isnt our Pope and we dont hold him in any esteem. People are protestant for their own reasons, not because of anything Luther said. The Catholics put the Bible together, great... but they stray from the teachings so thats why there are protestants.

Answer 9

He had a set of objections to Roman Catholic practise (not God-ordained practises, but man-made) and was excommunicated. He had no desire to form a separate church or new religion but his followers set up a church around him.

Answer 10

at the time martin Luther, wrote, the church clergy was the only ones that had access to the bible. and theirs was the only interpretation that was accepted.