Believers: a conflict...?

Question

I asked 2 questions recently. They both have to do with the Biblical God. One dealt with unforgivable sin and the other dealt with abandonment. Each answer chosen reflected the majority view among all respondents. I'd like to know... is one or the other correct, or can they both be correct?

•Question 1: Christians: What, according to the Bible, is the one sin that can never be forgiven?
•Answer: It is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Or in other words rejecting God. It is the holy Spirit who convicts us of sin. If we continue to ignore the conviction-that is rejection. God will leave us alone to do as we will. At this point he has rejected us.
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•Question 2: Christians: Is there anything you could do that would cause God to abandon you?
•Answer: No. He has promised to never leave or forsake me.

One answer suggests that there is a single act which would cause God to forever deny redemption to the guilty party while the other suggests God has promised that there is, in fact, nothing one could do to make redemption inaccessible to oneself. Again, both answers were chosen as representative of the consensus view among answerers and both answers demonstrate what the answering majority sincerely hold to be true. Are they compatible views? Are they not? Is there something I’m missing? If so, let me know.

*sigh* Sadly, many answerers are assuming I've said something I haven't and consequently arguing against strawmen.

Mark 3:28-29: 28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"

I'm not making this up, people. It's quite clear that once you've blasphemed against the Holy Spirit, there is no forgiveness, no redemption. God will never allow you another chance to save yourself. NOT MAKING THIS UP, it's right there, go get your Bible and read it.

Answer 1

These two answers do seem to conflict. It would be interesting to see if they came from the same source (answerer). That would show a dichotomy requiring reconciling in some way; one of the conflicting answers must be wrong (if not both), and needs correction.

The answer to #1 is at least partially correct: Jesus described the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as the "unforgivable" sin. This happened when He (Jesus) had been healing and evicting demons from people, and the religious leaders of the day accused Him of using Satanic spirits to get the necessary power. Essentially, the religious leaders called God, "Evil". They refused to recognize the work of God, and slandered Him, prompting Jesus to make the "unforgiveable sin" proclamation. IDK about this causing God to "abandon" the person guilty of such slander. It would seem to me that somebody capable of that "big" of a sin (and it couldn't be anything loosely said, either) would be abandoning God, to their own destruction.

The answer to Question #2 may be incorrect. If there is a sin that IS "big/bad enough" to cause God to "walk away" from His created, then the answer to this must be "Yes". If, however, the "Unforgivable" is really something that sears US so bad, that we would never WANT forgiveness, nor ask for it (hence abandoning God), then it is not a question of God's abandoning, but of ours. In THAT instance, the answer is "No".

Are we thouroughly confused now? I hope not!

Answer 2

When you reject God, He still for a undefined period of time will continue to pursue you. Eventually if we still don't turn back to God He turns us over to "the reprobate mind", in other words He lets us go our own way. Does that mean He doesn't love us anymore? NO. But He has honored our freewill and our power to choose our own fate. He doesn't ever leave or forsake the believer. THE BELIEVER leaves and forsakes God.

I hope I was helpful. Shalom.
Recap:

Q#1 Correct-we reject God He eventually lets us go our own way. Thus unredeemed into eternity.

Q#2: Correct--He never does leave us or forsake us. BELIEVER leaves and forsakes God. He still loves them.

Be Blessed.


If a person is genuinely concerned that they have grieved the Holy Spirit, odds are they haven't. Otherwise they would not feel the burden on thier conscience...if they were in place where they were actually capable of blaspheming the Holy Spirit...they certaintly wouldn't have an inkling of remorse. This feeling would be the Holy spirit leading them to repentance.

Answer 3

True Faith is unwavering. As far as your questions go. God does not interfere with anything we do. If he interfered all the time then we would have mindless zombies bowing down all the time. Most are convinced he does interfere so hence they pray for his interference for good things. Atheist can't understand how a God would allow horrible things to happen to the world hence why most don't believe. Or the believers call it a test. There is a difference in Knowing and Believing . The key to it all is everyone needs to leave everyone else alone. Its not religion that's the problem it people trying to change everyone else, that's the problem. I am sorry for my brethren they know not what they do. Even though atheist don't believe in God you do have one thing right you need to live life. God never intended us to be mindless he intended us to live. Good brings about good. If your you believe in god or don't being good never hurt anyone. So if the religious are right then God will look over your short comings and enter his house if you were a good person. If the Atheist are right well no one would ever know because they will just be dead.
In conclusion being good and doing good things will help everyone in this life and the next.

As far as your first questions
1.NO there is nothing you can not come back from
2.NO Omnipotent beings have those perks.

Answer 4

God conciousness is not a theory, but a state of being. Love is irrational, there are no absolutes - but the purity of love is an absolute.

So therefore God will never abandon you. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is no more offensive to God than watching Oprah.

The Holy Spirit is a Catholic invention to explain their concept of the Trinity. The concept caught on as a marketing tool by the Pentecostals to explain "speaking in tongues".

There is no "Holy Spirit". A holy spirit would imply a love that is separate from God himself and, ergo, love came from a place other than God. Which is silly.

Answer 5

Why are those recommendations conflicting? Ever take a shuttle? Ever cook dinner? We do the equal factor daily. We plan routine or paintings or travels or some thing than we convey out. During the system, do not we've got the unfastened will to decide on many matters? The ideal factor is that this (and I believe it may be used for plenty of questions right here on R&S): God is aware of each and every folks greater than we can ever recognize. He is aware of the whole lot approximately us and not anything surprises Him. Therefore as His plan develops He is aware of how men and women will react and what they'll do, despite the fact that they've offerings to the opposite. We, alternatively, recognize simplest the very miniscule quantity of God's complete being.

Answer 6

God never abandons you. The word abandon means to leave. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit means stating that he does not exist. Which means that you have rejected Him and walked away.

Answer 7

The confusion comes from labeling a person's rejection of God as God rejecting that person. The Holy Spirit convicts you of sin, then you reject the Holy Spirit's authority. This gets you kicked out because God guarantees us free will. If God ignores your rejection of Him, and lets you into Heaven, he's ignoring your free will to reject Him. It would be like God saying, "No, you're not allowed to reject me. Now come into my kingdom." Outside that kingdom things are pretty rough, and since you rejected God, you are not protected by Him. He wants to help, but as long as you deny Him, it would be a violation of your free will to assert his divinity by saving you.

Answer 8

I would contend the problem comes with the wording of the questions, specifically the use of "abandon."

In my view, God respects our choices. If we chose to reject God, will not force us to follow, though I do believe God continues to actively seek after us. i.e. If we reject salvation, God will not make us take it, which comes off as the unforgiveable sin because we won't accept forgiveness, though God still yearns for us to accept it.

Clear as mud?

Answer 9

The two questions could only refer to two different groups.

The unforgivable sin could not be committed by a believer.
Rejection of the Holy Spirit is a sin of unbelief leaving that person unsaved.

The question: "Is there anything you could do that would cause God to abandon you?"
If you are referring to the statement in Romans Chapter 8:38,39:

"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

These verses refer to Christian believers, not un-believers.

Answer 10

A Christian cant commit the sin of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit , You need to think about your question before you ask, you fell into your own trap ,