What is up with citizens being "pro-illegal"?

Question

I am sorry, I just don't get it. I have not seen ANY posts really explaining why US citizens think they are better off with illegal immigration.

Seriously, I want to know. So, if you are like me, and not so fond of any criminals, let alone dead beats, please post somewhere else. Also, if you ARE an illegal you really can't answer my question either. I am curious as to why some US citizens are in favor of open borders.

For the record....I do know MANY illegal immigrants. I live in a California farming community. The going rate for a housekeeper or gardener is $30 an hour, so I really do not see the "low pay" thing. That much, all under the table, is pretty good pay that few Americans would pass up. I personally employ none of them, that would be totally hypercritical. I see the cost personally, their kids are on the "free lunch program at school. I also have a handicapped child, so I have some exposure to them in our medical system.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to give some other intelligent insight on a very emotional topic for people.

Answer 1

If I explained it to you, would you do me a favor and have an open mind about it? First of all, I am not for open borders.....Thats just won't work......I do support immigrants, who have been here for many years, working and with no felonies, or are not on welfare.....

It is doubtful that anyone would disagree, if you have an open mind, with the fact that illegal immigrants, by virtue of their working for low wages, boost corporate profits (this is the only reason why corporations employ illegal immigrants) and reduce commodity prices for Americans overall. The latter translates not just to direct savings in purchases for individual consumers, it also contributes partly to keeping the lid on inflation, thereby proving more flexibility for the Federal Government to lower interest rates - which in turn allows lower cost home purchases and refinancing. (Of course, I am by no means arguing that illegal immigration is the sole or principal reason for low interest rates in the US - to do so would be laughable! What I am saying is that they contribute a small part to lowering inflation overall.)

Answer 2

I don't have a problem with people who come here the correct way. But when you have people who get on national t.v. and say that stealing SSN's and stealing I.D's is okay then there is a problem. The gentleman said they have to do what they have to do. What if it were your identity stolen and you are now having to deal with creditors and legal issues caused by these actions. The ONLY people benefiting from the overflow of illegal workers are employers, families back in their homelands, check cashing/wire transfer companies, and the worker themselves. Hospitals, schools, rising healthcare cost, fair wages for legal citizens of the U.S. are some areas that are suffering due to so many people being here illegally.
Medicaid has already paid over $28 million towards illegal people in this country. YES it is true, this country does provide healthcare to illegals and US born citizens have a difficult time getting the medical attention they need.
Last but not the least, its one thing to come to this country to work, but its another thing to DEMAND changes be made in order to benefit an illegal person. Ask yourself if you went to Russia do you expect for Russians to change everything to English? Absolutely not, you learn their language and ways of life. Our country is backwards and the politicians aren't looking out for the middle class and definitely not the poor man woman. The border will not ever be secure. It would kill the drug dealing business, and actually force employers to stop pocketing big profits and actually pay an American a fair wage.

Answer 3

OK, first we have to get one thing clear. Just because something is a law does not mean it is a JUST and FAIR law. Jews in Germany in the late 1930's and WW2 were breaking the law just because they were Jewish. I am not saying this is anywhere near the same kind of discrimination, only that "because it's illegal" is a self-serving argument. WE need to make our laws reflect certain principles and human rights. Got that? OK, let's move on.

I, like everyone else want to see illegal aliens who are drug-runners, robbers, child molesters and welfare abusers deported immediately and not allowed back. The thing is that for some strange reason people believe this is 100%, 99%, 50%, 25%, even as much as 5% of illegal aliens. It is not. The actual 99% are people that want to make a better life for themselves, do jobs at wages we won't do them, help us tremendously by watching our children, cleaning our yards, cooking our meals, washing our dishes, much, much more. THEN when they ask for the same things we all take for granted supposedly they are ruining the country. Our attitude is despicable.

And I have never understood what it means to "close the border". We have an open border now (at least in a physical sense) and building a fence is not going to change that much. What we have to do is improve (and shorten) our process of background checks on non U.S. Citizens. THAT is where the real problem lies. One of the 9-11 hijackers was APPROVED for a visa AFTER 9-11 while meanwhile a friend of mine (whose sister is a U.S. Citizen) applied for papers 7 years ago and has heard NOTHING. Is it so naive to say (as an analogy) if our store has 5000 customers and 3 cashiers instead of kicking 2000 people out hire more cashiers????

Answer 4

Because what they contribute trickles to all sectors of economy. They are partly the reason why the US agricultural sector is thriving instead of going down like in other countries. They help the US companies produce goods at a more competitive price (with China for example) and help keep the white collar jobs here. The engineers, managers, supervisors, etc. that depend on having that one company open are going to lose their jobs. Sure, there are bad things about it too, like the fact that they are mostly unknown in the community, but that's an issue that can be fixed with a comprehensive immigration bill.
Open borders just means, if you can work, want to live in the US and contribute to it, then you may enter. A comprehensive immigration reform bill will help in doing so.
Also, if they werent beneficial, then why does the govt turn a blind eye? Let's face it, it's a necessary evil like prostitutes and alcohol.

Answer 5

I've met a few people on here who are "pro-illegal" yet are not in favor of open borders... they seem to have sympathy for the plight of the poor (which they claim comprises a significant majority of illegals). These are the ones who's overall message is "secure the borders, but give amnesty to the ones already here". (a few of them have already answered your question)

Then there are the hypocritical racist loons and the plain traitors/conspirators against the USA. These are the ones who really want open borders "so people can roam freely as they please" (yes these people are the terrorists' best friends).

Answer 6

I'm not saying I'm in favor of open borders.I think that people that are already here should be able to get their green cards. It can take years to get their green cards. If they are hard working and have never had a criminal background(not including crossing the border) then I think they should be able to stay here. For you to say dead beats is wrong. There are damn dead beats who are American citizens. I don't care if you are white, chinese, black mexican whatever, there are bad in every race. My husband is Mexican and a very hard worker. He is a foreman for a company and works sometimes 15 hours a day. He also speaks very good Engilsh. There are alot of good people who are illegal that contribute by paying taxes(unfortunatly they can't claim them at the end of the year) and helping our society. I'm paying for Nursing school out of my own pocket and not freeloading off our government like a lot of our citizens do. Question for you is do you know any illegal citizens? Cause if you don't maybe you need to do some research and open your mind a little.

Also I come from a very well respected family that has owned a mining and off shore oil platform business for 30 years. NONE of my family members have ever been in prison.

Answer 7

It's simply an objective outlook on the contribution these men and women make in our society. And for me, there is a personal motive as well. My father was an illegal immigrant. So I can truly appreciate what his actions did for me. This is a great nation, no doubt about it. And, in the end, illegal immigrants are just fellow human beings searching for a better life.

Answer 8

Although illegal immigrants send home a lot of the money they make in the states, they contribute billions of dollars annually to our economy. They are our gardeners, cleaners, and other jobs that you would have to pay an American double the price to do.

Think about it. If you can pay 5 dollars for a job that would cost you ten dollars if they weren't there, then you just made 5 dollars because the job got done. That also means that those extra 5 dollars can be spent elsewhere. They add more to our economy than they do drain it.

Besides, when the Irish and a little afterward the Chinese were coming over in large numbers, there was even more conflict and discrimination against these ethnic groups than there is now with Mexicans.

I'd rather hire a hardworking illegal immigrant than a fat and lazy citizen.

Answer 9

i believe the world should be without borders and we should be free to roam as we please. As americans we pretty much have this ability already, most other countries are more than willing to take our money and skills, there are many countries where americans can walk right in without a visa or a second glance. We must break down these borders and differences and the world should live as one.

Answer 10

I am an American citizen who is pro-amnesty and one who understands that a secure border and enforcement is a viable solution to a festering problem.

Hopes and dreams are POSSIBLE in America......and with a REALLY good solution and the stop of any further flow.....we can make that happen and THEN we can ALL spend our time posting about our favorite colors or how great cinnamon smells.