Is jesus the born Son of God or corruption by the church after 4th century?

Question

This on all accounts proven by history to be a bold face editing by the church after the 4th century! Pre-Nicene there is a heavy amount of evidence through early church writers, such as all of the church fathers which supports this to have been changed to support the Jesus-god lie and the trinity. The real Baptism scene in this true nature said this, "Thou art my son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee." (Hebrew 1:5, Ps 2:7) Not that he was the son before, but that at the baptism was his TRUE birth, when he gained sonship and the indwelling logos/mind of God expressed through him. I'm not Muslim at all, but they have a point with respect to Jesus historically (except for the virgin birth, that wasn't in the Hebrew gospel which is the bible that Matthew came from, historically from testimony of church fathers and historians). Why change this? Sources below in detail.

Clement of Alexandria 2A.D, THE INSTRUCTOR, said, “For at the moment of the Lord's baptism there sounded a voice from heaven, as a testimony to the Beloved, 'Thou art My beloved Son, to-day have I begotten Thee’"

Methodtus (A.D. 260-312), in his works THE BANQUET OF THE TEN VIRGINS; OR, CONCERNING CHASTITY, He came to be baptized in the water of the Jordan, 'Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee’".

Lactantius (A.D. 260-330.), THE DIVINE INSTITUTES he writes: "Then a voice from heaven was heard: 'Thou art my Son, today have I begotten Thee'. Also witnessed in the writings by Justin, Origen, and many other things confirm this. Think how different it would be if Mark had the correct baptism and since it has the historically accurate opening where there is no pagan birth scene like Horus and other pagan gods.

NOT "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Mt 3:17,17:5,Mk 1:11,Lu 3:22)

THIS IS A LIE proven by my sources of history and scholars.

MY POINT is that according to the scriptures as they used to be, Jesus wasn't the born son of God, he is not god incarnate in the flesh, BUT he attained sonship through his efforts and is no different from what we have to do.

Answer 1

Did Jesus or his Apostles follow a religion called Christianity? Who were the first 'Christians' ? Who founded Christianity and do the teachings of Christianity conform to the teachings of Jesus?





The mission of Jesus.

In 721 B.C.E the Jewish kingdom of Israel faced defeat at the hands of the Assyrians. Scattered abroad with their Temple destroyed, the Jews turned their focus onto the Law. Monotheism was once again lost, but this time in an ever increasing maze of elaborate rites and rituals.

It was this situation that was present in the world when Jesus received his calling from God. Upon beginning his ministry at the approximate age of 30, Jesus made it clear that his mission from God was to get the Jews back on track:

"For the son of man is come to save that which was lost." (Matthew 18:11)

"For I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus also made it clear just what God wanted him to do :
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17)

A careful study of Jesus' words will show that, contrary to what Christians may think, Jesus had no intention of starting a new religion; he only came to reiterate the message that God had given to all prophets before him: man was to obey God's Laws and worship Him alone.

At no time during his ministry did Jesus claim to be anything more than a human being, inspired by God. Indeed, he referred to himself as the son of man, and made it clear, in a number of verses throughout the Gospel, that he was merely a Messenger of God


Was Jesus' Mission a success?

"Why callest thou me good? There is none good but One, that is God." (Mark 10:18)

"...whosoever receives me, receives not me, but Him who sent me." (Mark 9:37)

"And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou has sent." (John 17:3)

"Now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard from God." (John 8:40)

"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, my God and your God." (John 20:17)

Despite all his efforts--wonderful words backed up with some pretty nifty miracles--Jesus was soundly rejected, especially by his own people.

Three years after he began his ministry, he was arrested and charged with sedition and blasphemy. Success had eluded him, at the end of his life on earth; he left behind only a mere handful of followers, not more than 500 at most.


The True Founder of Christianity

Approximately five years after Jesus' ascension into heaven, A twenty-five-year old zealot was on his way to Damascus to pick up a group of Nazarenes (The followers of Jesus called themselves as Nazarenes) for return to Jerusalem when he had a vision in which he claimed Jesus appeared, asking why Saul was persecuting him. Saul changed his name to Paul and went off into the deserts of Arabia in order to think about just how he was going to go about carrying out what he believed to be a command from Jesus to go out and preach.

Exactly WHAT to do was quite a dilemma for him, however; since the Jews had rejected Jesus and his message, Paul didn't think he stood much of chance of getting through to them, either. He made up his mind that it would be best to simply dismiss them off and target the Gentiles (non-Jews) instead.

The Romans and the Greeks, who made up the Gentile population of Paul's world, were pagans who worshiped a plethora of gods and goddesses. Temples and statues of their deities abounded in the land, and Roman law had it that all people, with the exception of the Jews, must pay homage to the gods.

Paul knew that people with such deep-reaching pagan beliefs were not going to accept the idea that grace and salvation could come from a person who was only considered to be a most upright and righteous human being. If Paul wanted quick results in his ministry, he knew that he would have to "modulate" things a bit, taking into account the culture of the Gentiles.

Paul Maier, in his book "First Christians", tells us that thirteen years elapsed between the time Paul "received his calling" and the time that he began preaching. During that thirteen years, Paul's creative mind put in a lot of overtime; when he finally returned to Damascus, he came back armed with the knowledge that the Gentiles would demand a tangible god within their new religion, and he was prepared to give this to them.

Paul was wildly successful in his subsequent missionary efforts, what with the accommodations he ended up making for the Gentiles. Although the religion of Christianity takes its name from Jesus Christ, Paul of Tarsus must be considered as its true founder, as he is the one who conceived all of its doctrines, and set up its churches throughout the world of his time. Christians don't deny this, either: "No figure in Christian history stands so tall or has had such a tremendous influence as has Saul of Tarsus..."

In his book "The 100: A Ranking of the most Influential Persons In History", author Michael Hart concurs in saying:

"No other man played so large a role in the propagation of Christianity."

There is one big problem with this picture, however: The teachings of Paul, the true founder of Christianity, cannot be found anywhere in the teachings of Jesus or in those of prophets before him.

The following are some of the innovations that Paul introduced into "his" religion of Christianity.

1. The divinity of Jesus
2. The trinity
3. Atonement
4. Salvation by faith


Using these doctrines Paul achieved phenomenal success in his ministry. The Jews may have brushed Jesus aside, but the Gentiles flocked to Paul's side, as he gave them just what they wanted in their new religion. The term for the earlier followers of Jesus –Nazarenes was dropped in favor of a new, more 'appropriate' name: Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ.

This new religion of Christianity "...was abundantly interwoven with mythological content drawn heavily from pagan sources..." along with having a theology "...which was produced as the need arose to suit the mentality of the times..."

Later Church leaders thought to neatly end the confusion by saying that Jesus was God-incarnate--an eternal being who "chose" to become a man in the womb of Mary. Jesus had, in other words, two natures--divine and human-- which were united in one single person. While they probably meant well, making a statement such as this only led to more confusion.

The Jews did brush Jesus aside; in a way, however, the religion of Christianity as conceived by Paul has also brushed Jesus aside. Despite what a Christian might say, one will find no evidence wherein Jesus himself puts forth any of the afore--mentioned doctrines within the Gospels. Since Jesus had no plans to start a new religion, it goes without saying that he also did not formulate any doctrines for such.

All Christian doctrines are the work of Paul, based on his desire to gain favor--and new converts--among the non Jews of his time. By incorporating pagan beliefs into the teachings of Jesus, Paul achieved phenomenal success in his ministry, but at the price of tearing down everything that true monotheism stands for. In so doing, Paul abrogated all teachings of Jesus and gave mankind a set of beliefs that have plagued his sense of reason ever since. It is here --the true nature and role of Jesus, as opposed to the Christian view of such -- where we find the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity.

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Answer 2

Salaam

Jesus(a.s) was only God's servant. David,Melchesedek,Israel and Adam and the Angels are also called God's sons in the Bible. This shows that the term "son of God" is figuratively and shows God's close relationship with them.

The Church made Jesus(a.s) divine to gain more converts and coz christianity got lost between all the pagan religions. The church like to say that the Gospels are the same as the ORIGINAL when it has been proven that the originals doesnt have some of the verses as todays gospels.Take the Gospel of Mark: The original,oldest, gospel does not have the part ressurection yet todays gospel has it. There are various other variations as well.

Answer 3

It is frustrating that such an intelligent mind as yours cannot yet fathom the mysteries of God! The Bible says that we are saved by Grace though Faith! The Bible is not written by scholars of Jewish culture, but by the workings of the Holy Spirit, inspiring the hearts of man, through the prophesy of Moses, and Abraham. We are called to faith by believing the word of God with a child-like faith. As children who need assurance when they go to bed, and first want mom or dad to tell them a story. This lets them sleep with a peace that surpasses all understanding! We are not criticising you, but read the Bible without the intention to disprove it. Accept it and believe, and you will be able to accept your Christian brothers and sisters, and also respect the Jewish faith, even though they have some questions about the virgin birth as you do! If you want answers to these questions, as a protestant, I direct you to seek out a Catholic preist or someone who knows the anwers. We are all one in the Lord! The Catholic faith is the most traditional, and the oldest! Good Luck, and do not become arrogant in your thinking that your mind is able to accept the truth just because your IQ is higher than most!

Answer 4

the gospel texts can be traced back to the first century.

So I would say if it was corrupted it would have had to been then.

Because Jesus accepts worship in John 9 from a blind man. Doesn't rebuke Peter when he calls Him the Son of God. And also accepts worship from Thomas.

The Koran never says the Bible is corrupt.

Answer 5

The suggestion of hell as a fiery location of everlasting punishment happened after the church grew to be a faith of regularly former believers within the Roman/Greek myths. Our Christian hell is as a rule established on 2 matters...the Greek concept of Tartarus, in which the evil lifeless are ceaselessly punished, and the writings of Dante, who defined a fictional location referred to as 'hell' in his works of poetry. There is not anything to denote that 'god' created hell. Humans created this suggestion, and Christians have swallowed it hook line and sinker ever on account that.

Answer 6

So what is your point?