Bush said: "Iraq enemy far from being defeated." How many of our sons have to die to defeat them?

Question

Our son, in the California National Guard, was just called up. So we are very biased now in this matter. But the way Bush talks, your sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, nephews, nieces, friends could be next.

Answer 1

Yes. Well, this is what happens when you have an ex-alcoholic, wastoid who dodged his own military service acting (and I stress the word acting) as commander-in-chief.

Bush started this war without just cause, and because he has NO IDEA what he's doing, it's become an inescapable quagmire (we're damned if we leave, and we're damned if we stay). And, he still refuses to be forthcoming with the American public as to what he really plans to do over then next year and a half (if he even has plans!) Meanwhile, Iraq's new "democracy" strangely resembles a civil war, the insane cost of this nightmare keeps growing (with no end in sight), and all the while the military is screaming that they are under-equipped and under-staffed to do the job Bush keeps telling is getting done... sort of.

This is one of the worst debacles in American history.

How many more months is he going to be able to play the "America is safer because of _______" card before even his staunchest supporters get disgusted? People are finally starting to realize that Iraq is no more, and no less, of a threat to us than it ever was. Iraq has no way of directly attacking the U.S. now, nor did they before the war. The only way they (or any Middle Eastern nation) can threaten the U.S. is through sneaky terrorist activities, and the way you defend against those things is to improve and strengthen your own countries borders, ports, terminals, and overall security (which Bush HASN'T DONE), NOT by blowing up their country and installing a government by force that the population didn't achieve on their own. Democracy isn't a gift. There is a reason that a people must evolve towards it, because the price is often their own blood. Now, the price of Iraq's democracy has become American blood, and like you, I too say "why?"

Anyone can see that as soon as we leave Iraq, whether it's a year from now, or when the Democrats win in '08, that country is going to collapse into civil war. They best laid plans of Bush and his oil cronies to establish their corporate interests over there are going to be some of the costliest mistakes our nation has ever been subjected to. We'd have been far better off spending the trillions this war has cost on becoming energy independent, and let China worry about what happens to all the oil over there.

Answer 2

I have several friends and relatives in the military and all proudly serve. The thought that this was going to be a quick , clean and easy war was a misread by the American public. War sucks. War is messy. War is long. When we went into Iraq, it shoudl have been made known that even if the military part is quick , the peace will not be. Who remembers the lessons of World War 2? Just because their was a peace treaty in May 1945 did not mean that our troops could all come home ---- THEY ARE STILL THEIR 61 YEARS LATER!!! During WW2 their were the fire bombings of Dresden and other acts which were necessary at the time to win the war which , today, woudl be called war crimes. It is war !! It is messy!!! It KILLS people!!! The most logical thing which shoudl have been done which was not was to have disclosed the video of Sadam declaring that the republic of Iraq would pay the family of each suicide bomber who attacked Isreal $10,000. Sadam did this. Sadam did this on International TV. Sadam and Iraq were sponsors of terrorism in doing this. Forget the Weapons of Mass Destruction --- Iraq during Sadam's reign was an International Sponsor of Terrorism and declared it on International TV. Now, woudl you rather fight the terrorists on their home soil or ours? We shoudl increase the troop levels to 500,000 and untie their hands. Let our troops do their job. It will be messy. More troops will die. The quicker we untie our troops hands, increase the level of troops and declare all out war against the terrorists the sooner it will be over. Even when it is "over" it will not be over though --- remember the lessons of WW2. We are still their 61 years latter. Be prepared to have troops in Iraq for the next three generations until it will be truely over where complete pullout is an option. Lets stop being nieve and realize what we got into.

Answer 3

Yeah I agree with the Afghanistan war since we are kicking terrorist ***, but I hate the Iraq war..

I wish our servicemen just got out of danger and back into the arms of their family instead of out in Iraq doing who knows what mission.. That mission always fricken changes from taking Saddam out to getting them freedom then securing oil stations then to train their army and all that crap. Why can't we fix up our own country before we go into another and possibly wreck it or try and give it freedom?

It's really sad that sons and daughters must die for a war that has no clear mission statement, Iraq isn't ready for democracy yet and if the people are ready. Then we have to do a full blockade of Iraq to stop oncoming foreign fighters, so the military will be one again doing border patrol except this time on foreign soil. We must keep watching that border until the Iraq military and police are just as good as us and free from undercover insurgents. But they can always come back in once we leave, you can't win this war, no matter what they will ALWAYS come back in, you kill an insurgent and his son will be the next insurgent, then his future son.

Bush may not be doing on purpose but he sure is an idiot, remember what Franklin Roosevelt said? "Physical strength can never permanently withstand the impact of spiritual force. "

and most importantly, Ben Franklin. "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. "

Answer 4

I have 2 sons in the guard so I know EXACTLY what you mean !! I don`t and never really agreed with this war at least not how we got in it, I realize now that were in it though we can`t just pull out *the damage is already done* thanks to Mr Bush. I really really hate to say this and I hate the thought of it but personally I feel the only way were ganna do what is needed there and get our soldiers home is to send ALOT more troops and be done with it. Please prove me wrong cuz I hate the fact that I`m even saying that.

Answer 5

Thank your son for his service. He is a brave man.

There is no draft. So,unless the list of people you wrote about joins because they want to win this war, they need not worry about being "next".
As to your question, how many of our citizens will die if we don't defeat them? Don't think that 9/11 was an isolated attack. This enemy is patient and unforgiving. They want ALL infidels dead. Not just the ones that live near them. I have NO misgivings the length to which these people will go to come to our country and kill us! For God's sake, they will strap a bomb to their own child and blow them up to kill a few infidels "in the name of Allah". You really expect them to respect your life?
Now that we know our enemy, our country (and our Allies) have put in place programs that have kept us safe. How many times have the enemies plans been foiled here, in Britain, and else where? Your son is part of that plan! HE is going over there to protect YOU and his family and his fellow country men!
I won't pretend to understand your fear. But, I am sure he is scared. You may have your misgivings about this war. But, your son is the one that has to go over and protect us. What he needs now is a family that supports him and his mission.

Answer 6

I've figured it out. There will be no peace in the middle east until isreal nukes iran. Their gonna do it too. just watch. I have a nack for this stuff. About 2 months before 9/11 I was talking to my wife about afghani hash and had seen a thing on like 20/20 about Ossama bin Ladin at some point and it hit me somehow that this guy was gonna hit us at home, right then it hit me, so I meantion that to my wife and I just forget about it. that is till 9/11 when my wife looks at me and says " you predicted that." I'm still blown away by that. So my gut tells me that in short order isreal is gonna get nasty with the nukes.

Answer 7

You son joined of his own free will. He certainly had to know that there was a good possibility he would be called up. I mean practically every Guard & Reserve unit in the country has done a tour.

Answer 8

It's not so much that I disagree with the war but the US comes first. We are spending billions of dollars that I feel could be better spent here to safeguard our own country.

Answer 9

As many as it takes. Thank God we didn't pull out of WW1 or WW2 when our guys started to die. That is what happens in war, and that is the way they are won. you should be proud that your son is serving his country in the military. I would be scared too if it was my son, but I would be proud and hope for the end. If it makes any difference--I am proud that your son is willing to serve.

Answer 10

I know you are opinioned on this, but you son did join the Guard, knowing he would have to go to Iraq most likely, so he must beleive in the war, and believe in its mission.

So why can't you support his beleif and his opinion of his nation. My son did two tours in Iraq and one in Afganistan, and I was proud of him. I have the flag that was on one of the first tanks entering Bagdad hanging in my living room.