Jesus never spoke of dying for our sins. He spoke of loving thy neighbor. Paul's letters are frequently cited by gay-bigots. I doubt Jesus would have agreed with them in that respect.
2006-12-13 04:27:16 · 16 answers · asked by logan2012 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Hey Uncle Thesis. Luke 10:45 doesn't exist.
2006-12-13 04:35:24 · update #1
Paul simply expanded on the teachings of Christ. His words were inspired by the same God who is the Father of Jesus.
Consider the words of Peter that confirm that Paul's writings are a part of inspired Scripture:
"Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given him also wrote you, speaking about these things as he does also in all his letters. In them, however, are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unsteady are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
>>>I THINK Uncle Thesis below meant to say "Mark 10:45."<<<
2006-12-13 04:30:24 · answer #1 · answered by Abdijah 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
This is a great question. Who is to say. Was Jesus message according to first messager for which we have writings (Paul) or the gospels which directly contradict in many places Paul and each other (but were written approximately 74 -100 years after Jesus and ascribed to actual disciple eyewitnesses) The gospels were written after Paul's epistles. Many of "Paul's" epistles are of questionable authorship.
Do some research on the Q, the historical Jesus, and the sayings of Jesus.
Other issues, you question assumes that Jesus exists, that he had a message, etc.
Remember, Jesus stated that the some of the people would be present for the end days and never stated that his words should be recorded and passed on.
2006-12-13 04:35:51 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Oh did he ever! Paul and Peter, between them, established the christian religion as it is known today. Peter was actually not a bad sort, but Paul had lots of issues (esp. with women and people living a lifestyle he didn't agree with. Remember, Paul came from a jewish pharisee background and was great for wanting laws and restrictions, etc.). Jesus never intended to start a new religion. His message was for the Jews, he wanted reform, not a new religion. His words and actions were all about equality for all, Paul, on the other hand, was all for superiority of the married male; or even the unmarried male, but that male should be celebate. He hated women, that is well known now. So, we have a church based on fear and hate that is supposed to teach the message of Jesus who was all about unconditional love, forgiveness, equality and justice...i see some conflict here...
2006-12-13 04:33:16 · answer #3 · answered by harpertara 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
There's no question that the religion Paul teaches in his letters is very different from the gospels. Paul's background as a tax collector and Jewish church official comes through quite clearly -- his idea of christianity is more administrative, more burdensome, and more ascetic than what you get from the gospels.
His ideas came to dominate christian dogma after the 1st century CE, and were the guiding ideas in the development of the early political church after the adoption of christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire. He did what many "converts" to a religion often do -- become extremely zealous in their new religion, often in an effort to justify their conversion. Had Paul never become christian, the christian religion might be very, very different...
Uncle thesis: Luke Chapter 10 ends at verse 42...there IS NO Luke 10:45!
2006-12-13 04:32:08 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I have a feeling Jesus wouldnt agree with you calling them gay-bigots. But I never knew the man.
Paul and everyone else who took part in the bible "distorted" Jesus' message. The bible is like that game telephone. It gets funnier the further down the line it goes.
2006-12-13 04:33:28 · answer #5 · answered by iamsoboredandtired 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
you already do not ignore that Jesus picked Paul and the Holy Spirit endowed him more desirable than the different Apostle (Acts 19) and that Peter, Luke, Barnabas, Mark, Timothy, Titus, and each of the brotherhood agreed with Paul. you already do not ignore that one and all of those examined what Paul taught in a assembly in Jerusalem and got here out with a similar doctrine. in case you study the Bible you'll understand this stuff. you ought to also agree that one and each of the words in the Bible are from God and the entire brotherhood of the first century agreed on the books we've as we communicate. everybody who denies Paul denies the words of God.
2016-10-18 05:46:58 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus never spoke of dying for our sins???
Try Luke 10:45
2006-12-13 04:31:52 · answer #7 · answered by Uncle Thesis 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Jesus never left any clue or said in any way that he was dying to eradicate or erase sin. Paul invented that all on his own. Why do you think Peter and Paul had beef?
2006-12-13 04:29:21 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
paul saw jesus in a "vision" and never even heard of any of other other events of jesus besides the last 3 stories
2006-12-13 04:30:13 · answer #9 · answered by Red Eye 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Paul did not distort Jesus' message.
See Mat 26:27-28 And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them and said "Each of you drink from it, for this is my blood, which seals the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out TO FORGIVE THE SINS OF MANY."
2006-12-13 06:19:54 · answer #10 · answered by Freedom 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋