Pastor Billy says:
I go to church everyday I'm Catholic :) . Catholics can go everyday. There is normally a Saturday evening Mass (Mass being the highest form of Christian worship) that qualifies as the weekly Christian worship obligation.
The Ten Commandments were originally written to those people who had agreed to God's first covenant. The law on 7th day Sabbath was a memorial of God's first creation the world and everything on it. This first covenant sabbath however can never memorialize or celebrate God's new creation in the resurrection of his son Jesus Christ. Why not? simply because Jesus did not rise on the first covenant sabbath day but as you know from your bible the day..........after. People in general who call themselves Christians go to church on Sunday because this is the day Jesus rose, this is the day that symbolizes our redemption and return to unity with God in covenantal terms. People of the New Testament are people of the new covenant which is sealed in this day of resurrection on the first day of the week the Lord's Day or Dominica.
Sadly today some psuedo sects like the 7th Day Adventists and others attempt to claim to be remnant churches without ever being a remainder. They argue against authentic Christianity and basically fall into Judaizer heresies. The favorite argument against the Christian calendar never really proves anything except a denial of Jesus Christ and his greatest miracle, the resurrection.
Celebration of Sunday sabbath or the Lord's day is a sign of our Christian belief in Jesus as the true Messiah it is our covenantal agreement all the moral aspects of first covenant sabbath are still present as Jesus who is the one that makes all things new explained when asked what are the commandments but simply to "Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself" this alone sums up the law you wish to stress when arguing sabbath day.Please see http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/a... for all the poor arguments the Adventists come up with.
Coundrum your argument doesn't wash, if SUNday is pagan worship, than SATURday is also pagan worship of Saturn.
Our weekly calendar in the English language is all based on celestial bodies. In the Latin languages the first day is known as the Lord's day in Italian it is known as Domencia, French Dimarche, Spanish the same and so on. You are misunderstanding language and the mere fact that if Sunday is worship of the Sun than naturally by your logic SATURday would be worship of Saturn.
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Lets examine Coundrum's biblical claims of sabbath
Old Testament examples:
No need to argue here since the Old Testament in Christian bibles contains the Torah and lesser prophetic writings all given to the first covenant peoples and a sign of this covenant was the ceremonial keeping of the 7th day holy. This is clearly not where disagreement occurs. As new covenant keepers Christians look toward signs of the new covenant such as Christ's resurrection lets examine the New Testament quotes of Coundrum shall we.
Part 2 NT claims of Coundrum: this is what he wrote
"The early church kept the Sabbath
The apostles kept the Sabbath
the Gentiles went to Church on Sabbath"
Acts 13:14
Acts 13:42
Acts 13:44
Acts 16:13
Acts 17:2
Acts 18:4
All his supported NT claims come from one book, the book of Acts of the Apostles. What is happening in this book? Primarily the spreading of the gospel, the Christian gospel, evangelisation of those still holding to Judaism and also the conversion of gentiles to the one God made flesh in Jesus revealed.
Act 13:42-44 What is going? Christian church worship?
No Paul and Barnabas have gone into the synagogue to evangelise.
Later in Acts13:48-52 we learn they are rejected by these who do not accept Jesus Christ as messiah and so they shook off the dust from their feet. So these examples of Christian worship can't be true as the synagogue peoples did not convert after hearing Paul and Barnabas. The disunity we read of at the end of this chapter clearly indicates these are not Christians but still Jews who keep the first covenant as they should, hence no 7th day sabbath practised by Christians.
Acts 16:13
Where does this take place in a church? in a Christian home? in a Jewish synagogue? No by the riverside where people are praying. It is called the sabbath day to the reader who would understand it refers to first covenant sabbath as kept by the Hebrews but who does Paul speak with? Lydia someone not at synagogue for Saturday sabbath. Does Paul break bread as Christians do here? No he does not. His primary goal here is to evangelise people to the fullness of the one faith he is not hence practising Saturday sabbath either especially since he is preaching outside the synagogue on this particular day something he should not be doing if he was to keep it holy like first covenant people.
Act 17:2
Lets look to Act 17:3-10 and further and see what this is all about. Once again we learn Paul goes into synagogue because he is evangelising. He is not in agreement with these who he is, I quote "explaining and demonstrating that Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead,and saying, this Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ" Paul mets with these non-believers on the day they gather as they are first covenant peoples and what do they do? They reject the message of Paul and bring the authorities against him. So once again Acts17:2 does not support the idea of Christian worship on the 7th day as first covenant keepers, next example please.
Act 18 Whats going on here? Saturday sabbath worship by followers of Christ? No once again we read of St. Paul attempting to convert Jews in the synagogue through evangelisation. There is no agreement of unity hence he is not celebrating a Christian worship service on sabbath but using this common meeting place for Jews on the 7th day as an opportunity to evangelise the most people at one time, Paul attempts to reach the largest audience. In fact as you continue to read Paul gets feed up with these people of the sabbath and in Acts18:6 we read, But as they contradicted him [ Paul ] and BLASPHEMED, he shook his garments in protest and said to them, " I am innocent of it. Henceforth I will go to the Gentiles"
Wow Acts 18 definitely doesn't support your view Coundrum we find Paul frustrated with the people here who even blaspheme and can assume they are doing this against Jesus who they do not accept as the Christ. Can these people of the sabbath be Christians? Absolutely not these once again are first covenant peoples who still meet on the 7th day in numbers and do not listen to Paul's message of Jesus and the new covenant. We do read of certain persons coming over to the new faith and messiah Jesus but one can't agree with the idea of 7th day sabbath keeping by new Christians as a rule of law simply because these people of the synagogue do not come over to Christianity but blaspheme against it and Jesus.
All of Coundrum's NT examples of Christians keeping 7th day sabbath are not true. Coundrum has quoted scripture Out-of-context. The examples given all represent followers of Judaism as we call it today keeping th first covenant agreements as they should do!
You're in the wrong camp Coundrum. If you wish to keep 7th day sabbath why not just become a believer in Judaism and attempt to enter into that first covenant and all this entails. Basically you've been duped into something that is neither Christian nor Pharisectic Judaism.
Dec12 3:49PM Pacific time EDIT: Coundrum whats your authority for using scripture the way you do? You tell me I MUST produce supporting scripture yet you entirely lack the understanding of to whom scripture was given and for what purpose. On top of this you can't even rebut what I've just corrected in your misrepresention of New Testament scripture already. I'd say you are the one on thin ice brother.
Dec12 3:59PM Pacific time EDIT: 7th day Adventism has been proven false. It was an extension of the Millerite movement from which Ellen G. White and her husband were instructed to disband. The group today teaches anti-Catholicism and uses fear propanganda to recruit new converts. The majority of ex-Catholics and ex-Protestants did not know their faith or they wouldn't have fallen for such propaganda in the first place. As a pseudo-sect of Christianity 7th day Adventism is less than 150 years old, a church claiming to be the remnant should also be a remainder, 7th day Adventist Church doesn't fit the profile.
Dec12 4:05PM Pacific time EDIT: Y! answers still lets me respond to your misinformation and out-of-context quotes from Acts please still show were the Bible doesn't support Sunday worship
Dec12 4:15PM Pacific time EDIT:
Last comments in this spitting contest with Coundrum, folks please goto Worship On the Sabbath? http://www.geocities.com/athens/rhodes/3...
and click on the Early Church Fathers tab also. This basically answers Coundrum's bible challenge to me and also clearly presents Lord's day is found in.....the bible. :)
Dec14 8:40PM Pacific time EDIT some addition sources supporting no Christian worship on the 7th day
Sabbath or Sunday? http://www.catholic.com/library/Sabbath_or_Sunday.asp
The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas (remember him)
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
The Sabbath: Saturday or Sunday
By Tim Staples
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0605btb.asp
In every single example given by Coundrum those celebrating or merely gathering on the 7th day sabbath or not at all in communion with Paul but end up against him. In the example of Acts 18:8 Paul is able to convert some who listen to him but nowhere in the verse or chapter does it state Paul then goes on with these in celebrating a 7th day Christian worship it just isn't in the text anyone can read it for themselves and discover that idea is just not found. Not even the word sabbath appears in the verse and Coundrum knows it! How you come to this conclusion is beyond me it simply isn't found in the text. Clearly Paul is evangelising throughout this portion of scripture and he is goes to where he can be heard, he goes to the Jews who have yet to hear the name of Jesus but when heard they still don't believe and....reject Paul on their 7th day sabbath. So much for Christian 7th day sabbath being celebrated here.
Coundrum you'll have to do better. Instead of fighting the obvious why not be open to truth? God is calling YOU, read the bible text in context and completely because right now you're trying to wish the scripture to say something it doesn't !
And as for the Bereans........
WHY THE BEREANS REJECTED SOLA SCRIPTURA By STEVE RAY http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9703fea3.asp
Thank you for reading
2006-12-13 01:47:48
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answered by Anonymous
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Gee, going to church is not working. You go to church to pray and to show respect and love for God.
Keep the Sabbath day holy --- what better way than to go to church???
Some people go to church on Saturday as well. There is nothing wrong at all with going to church other days of the week.
I really would start making Sunday your main church iday nstead of Saturday, because to me, this is what God wants us to do.
2006-12-13 01:31:54
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answered by peekie 3
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I guess the Christians wanted to have a different day than anyone else. Who knows why they changed it.
You are correct-the Sabbath is on Saturday. Counting the days in the Bible-it does come up Saturday.
I go to synagogue on Saturdays.
2006-12-13 01:26:40
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answered by Shossi 6
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It is a matter of perception, what was the first day? It could have been Wednesday. But seriously, it says "on the seventh day", it didn't say "Sunday". This is why the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday and the Christian Sabbath is Sunday.
2006-12-13 01:26:04
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answered by sim_maroon 2
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I live in South America and her the churches are full every Sunday - and other times during the week too. On Sunday there are 5 services an they are packed out (1000 people at each one)
The music is lively and modern - people clap and dance and th sermons are up to date and real - it's great!
2006-12-13 01:25:41
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answered by Anonymous
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LOL Honey I don't think the particular day is that important, God just wanted to make sure we get a day of rest in there somewhere. But I go to church on Saturdays sometimes because my church has a Saturday night service and it's sometimes more convenient for me.
2006-12-13 01:24:05
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answered by Viki 4
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Well my church have the services on Saturday but I go on Sunday. Sometimes I think Sunday is "new beginning"
2006-12-13 01:23:45
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answered by starsgirl021687 2
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Sometimes!! If you didnt know, the saturday service is shorter than the sunday one but the topic is the same in our church. Also not as many pple show up. If you dont want to show up dressed up, show up on saturday, its also less dressy. You also get the best seats in the house.
2006-12-13 01:26:28
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answered by Nile Queen 3
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My parents go Saturday night because they are busy on Sundays. My church allows Saturday vigil to count as your once a week obligation. I go on Sundays because I"m busy Saturdays.
2006-12-13 01:24:15
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answered by sister steph 6
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Any day that you choose to keep holy for God is your sabbath.........Just make sure that is what you do on that day and nothing else..........That is pleasing to God. The fact that you did it for HIM!
2006-12-13 01:46:35
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answered by LucySD 7
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No, I am not a church goer. God is within me and around me, in all things at all times. My church is between heaven and earth.
2006-12-13 01:24:04
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answered by Yngona D 4
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