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ch?'' And if so does this exclude all others.

2006-12-12 20:49:35 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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The creeds do not use the term Roman Catholic. Roman Catholic was a term coined some sixteen hundred years after Christ by Protestants who wished to claim they also could be called Catholic after rejecting the first Christian Catholic Church and breaking from it! Today Roman Catholic is used by Catholics because it does indicate where you find the original Catholic Church. When you ask does this exclude others I must ask what makes others besides Roman Catholics, Catholic? Catholic original comes from the Greek words kata and holos meaning 'according to the whole'. Sometimes this understanding has been watered down to 'universal' which isn't telling the entire story. I suggest you read what the Early Church Fathers had to say about being Catholic and where to find it.
In the Catholic understanding these "others" you elude to have to be baptized persons who through no fault of their own have not been taught the fullness of Christianity and also had the opportunity to refuse it's teaching. In most cases these "others" are known as 'separated brethren' who are prayed for so as to come into full unity with the One physical Catholic Church, the one you question as Roman Catholic. The original title of the Roman Catholic Church is The One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.

please see What Catholic Means http://http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0410frs.asp

St. Athanunius
"whoever wills to be saved must before all else adhere to the Catholic Faith.

St. Augustine
"We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name, which the whole world employs in her regard" (The True Religion 7:12 [A.D. 390]).

St. Vincent of Lerins

2006-12-13 04:03:20 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Yes. The Nicene Creed said at mass states beliefe in "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostlic" Church.

Those are the four marks of the True Church.

Confirmed Catholics are direct members of this Church, but not the only members. Any non-Catholic Christian, having received a valid Baptism, is also a member of the Catholic Church, albeit indirectly. Short answer; there is not an absolute exclusion of non-Catholic Christians.

2006-12-15 05:24:46 · answer #2 · answered by Daver 7 · 0 0

I am a Catholic and I must say I have never heard of the Roman Catholic Creed....Perhaps you mean the Apostles Creed Which is Recited in many Church denominations..I think you mean the line in the Apostles Creed..I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints The word catholic here means universal not Roman Catholic...Aww Well...Peter.

2006-12-12 21:15:12 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The Nicene Creed says "the Holy Catholic Church." but I guess it depends on the capitalization whether it means catholic/universal or Catholic/The Church.

BTW, the official doctrine of the Catholic Church is that other religions are good. They teach good stuff and lead others on the path to Catholicism.

Isn't that cool? Become a better Mormon, and you're on the path toward being Catholic!

2006-12-12 21:08:30 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

As others have said, the words are "We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church."

No, this does not exclude all others. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that all Christians are members, though in incomplete union, of teh Catholic Church. Quoting from the Catechism:

"The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."

The Catholic Church also teaches that there is union with non-Christian Churches:

The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life."

2006-12-13 00:52:33 · answer #5 · answered by Sldgman 7 · 0 0

Close, but not quite. The words "one true" are not in the Creed that we say at Mass.

The last part of the creed reads:

"We believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. "
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2006-12-12 21:04:11 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I doubt the creed ever said that. The creed recited in Catholic churchs is the Nicene Creed (AD 325) and reads in part:

"I believe in one God the Father Almighty... and in one Lord Jesus
Christ... and in the Holy Spirit... and one holy Catholic [i.e., universal] and Apostolic Church [based on the foundational confession of the apostles]; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and life everlasting. Amen."

Protestant denominations DO NOT OBJECT to this creed at all - they AFFIRM the Nicene Creed which is, together with the Apostle's Creed is the OLDEST creed defining Christianity.

2006-12-12 21:00:08 · answer #7 · answered by Phoebhart 6 · 2 1

I believe in God,
the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day, He rose again.
He ascended to Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.

No we believe in the Catholic Church

2006-12-12 20:54:38 · answer #8 · answered by ? 6 · 0 0

No.

The Nicene Creed from 325 A.D. states, "We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church."

Each adjective has a different meaning.

+ The Church is one +
She acknowledges one Lord, confesses one faith, is born of one Baptism, forms only one Body, is given life by the one Spirit, for the sake of one hope (cf. Eph 4:3-5), at whose fulfillment all divisions will be overcome.

+ The Church is holy +
The Most Holy God is her author; Christ, her bridegroom, gave himself up to make her holy; the Spirit of holiness gives her life. Since she still includes sinners, she is "the sinless one made up of sinners." Her holiness shines in the saints; in Mary she is already all-holy.

+ The Church is catholic (little "c") +
She proclaims the fullness of the faith. She bears in herself and administers the totality of the means of salvation. She is sent out to all peoples. She speaks to all men. She encompasses all times. She is "missionary of her very nature"

+ The Church is apostolic +
She is built on a lasting foundation: "the twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Rev 21:14). She is indestructible (cf. Mt 16:18). She is upheld infallibly in the truth: Christ governs her through Peter and the other apostles, who are present in their successors, the Pope and the college of bishops.

With love and prayers in Christ.

2006-12-13 16:53:11 · answer #9 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 0

There is no roman catholic crede, you are probably talking about the nicene creedor theapostles creede that says "I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church" In that instance, catholic is just another word for christian. it is also said in most of the mainstream churches, anglican, lutheran and calvinists

2006-12-12 21:00:33 · answer #10 · answered by judy_r8 6 · 0 1

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