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my friend who was catholic said that he was taught this but is that the case?

2006-12-12 15:39:01 · 8 answers · asked by Red Eye 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

cem im guessing you are a R+S noob. i shall forgive you lol

2006-12-12 15:43:48 · update #1

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All I know of is the Gnostic Christians, to be honest. They didn't care much for the OT. However they saw the NT as allegory in some instances as well. The Gnostic Christians preceived the bible as alegory for their mind and being, in pattern through what seemed to be literal history..

O I almost forgot...LOL well the early Church Fathers al taught in many ways that the scriptures were allegory. Not just the OT but also the NT.

Clement of Alexandria states the same thing as Origen and Paul when he writes: “For many reasons, then, the Scriptures hide the sense. First, that we may become inquisitive, and be ever on the watch for the discovery of the words of salvation. Then it was not suitable for all to understand, so that they might not receive harm in consequence of taking in another sense the things declared for salvation by the Holy Spirit. Wherefore the holy mysteries of the prophecies are veiled in the parables - preserved for chosen men, selected to knowledge in consequence of their faith; for the style of the Scriptures is parabolic. Wherefore also the Lord, who was not of the world, came as one who was of the world to men. For He was clothed with all virtue; and it was His aim to lead man, the foster-child of the world, up to the objects of intellect, and to the most essential truths by knowledge, from one world to another”.

Paul said it was allegory,

"For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all" (Gal 4:22-26 KJV).

When Paul called the scriptures the letter that killeth, he was refering to the OT being allegory, are supposed to be understood figuratively, not literally and become a ritual or tradition.

Church Father Origen said, "“What man of sense will agree with the statement that the first, second and third days in which the evening is named and the morning, were without sun, moon and stars, and the first day without a heaven. What man is found such an idiot as to suppose that God planted trees in paradise in Eden, like a husbandman, and planted therein the tree of life, perceptible to the eyes and senses, which gave life to the eater thereof; and another tree which gave to the eater thereof a knowledge of good and evil? I believe that every man must hold these things for images, under which the hidden sense lies concealed” (Origen - Huet., Prigeniana, 167 Franck, p. 142).

Church Father Origen: “Scripture contains an unhistorical element in-woven with the history, in order that the worthlessness of the latter may drive us to seek the spiritual meaning” (Origen quoted under Origen Adamntius; The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics). And this reality is made clear by Origen in his De Principiis where he writes: “Where the word found that things done according to the history could be adapted to these mystical senses, he made use of them concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning; but where in the narrative of the development of super-sensual things, there did not follow the performance of those certain events which were already indicated by the mystical meaning, the scripture interwove in the history the account of some event that did not take place, sometimes what could not have happened; sometimes what could but did not.”

St. Augustine in the words: "He is a slave to a sign who uses or worships a significant thing without knowing what it signifies. But he who uses or venerates a useful sign divinely instituted whose signifying force he understands does not venerate what he sees and what passes away but rather that to which all such things are to be referred. Such a man is spiritual and free, even during that time of servitude in which it is not yet opportune to reveal to carnal minds those signs under whose yoke they are to be tamed" (De Doctrina Christiana).

Even Jesus had to oepn their eyes to what the scriptures truly meant as it said.

2006-12-12 15:47:49 · answer #1 · answered by Automaton 5 · 0 0

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's asking about New Testament versus Old Testament. And since he's an agnostic, you just did wonders in teaching him about the love of God by insulting him. Red Eye, I'm not sure if there is a branch of Chrisitianity that holds the New Testament literal and the Old Testament figuratively. However, sometimes we interpret the laws that were written in the Old Testament as part of the past. According to our beliefs, Jesus nullified all the old laws when he died for our sins. He himself said, "You have heard it said, 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, love your enemy". That's from my memory. I didn't cut and paste :) Don't know if that was what you were looking for.

2006-12-12 15:47:55 · answer #2 · answered by Terri 2 · 0 0

Not that I know of.
Some branches of Christianity like to look at the Garden of Eden, for example, the apple, the snake, and so on, as not necessarily literal but symbolic.
So I guess it would be kind of piecemeal in approach. This is literal but not that.
But a cut off like that: NT literal, OT not--I don't think so.

2006-12-12 15:44:45 · answer #3 · answered by Bill 7 · 0 0

Read passerby's he is pretty much all of it up there, although those church fathers didn't strickly speak of the OT as literal, but that all scripture is that way. Another thing the Ebonites I believe didn't preceive the OT literally as seen in one of their scriptures.

In The Clementine Homilies we find the following statements by Peter:"Assuredly, with good reason, I neither believe anything against God, nor against the just men recorded in the law, taking for granted that they are impious imaginations.

"For, as I am persuaded, neither was Adam a transgressor, who was fashioned by the hands of God; nor was Noah drunken, who was found righteous above all the world; nor did Abraham live with three wives at once, who, on account of his sobriety, was thought worthy of a numerous posterity; nor did Jacob associate with four-of whom two were sisters-who was the father of the twelve tribes, and who intimated the coining of the presence of our Master; nor was Moses a murderer, nor did he learn to judge from an idolatrous priest-he who set forth the law of God to all the world, and for his right judgment has been testified to as a faithful steward."

2006-12-12 16:10:03 · answer #4 · answered by blank1 2 · 0 0

i could disagree with you there Sara, the present testomony would not coach with "unfavorable punishments". Jesus reported that He have been given right here for the lost. for confident (in spite of what many Christians think of of) some at the instant are not any extra lost. those in Judaism who already understood Jesus message weren't lost, they have been/are, in spite of each and every element, God's chosen people. What Jesus taught us is that regulations (previous testomony) with out love won't get you into Heaven. it somewhat is why He reported He have been given right here to fulfill the regulation, no longer get rid of it. the regulations of the previous testomony even with the undeniable fact that be huge unsleeping to us all (do no longer kill keeps to be a solid one lol) yet sticking to the regulations with out any love in any admire does no longer some thing. that's the ideas-set the Pharisee had in that day, and a few people even with the undeniable fact that do as we communicate. they have been complete legalists of Jewish regulation; they could evict a widow and youthful ones from her abode by using fact of fact legally it grew to grow to be into the element to do. it somewhat is why you notice optimal of of Jesus messages start up with a quote from Jewish regulation: He'd say "you have heard that ..." and quote a regulation, then He'd say "yet I say to you..." and let us know what Love could have us do. i do no longer understand the situation you get the full "Christianity teaches with unfavorable punishments" element, by using fact Judaism and Christianity hold forth from a similar books, the previous testomony. the present testomony fairly tells us a thank you to place love into the photograph.

2016-12-30 08:17:22 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Uh, not that i know of.

but Christians don't hold any of Either literally, Jesus said he was using metaphors and such, so we have to interpret them ourselves (if this guy was trying his best to save the world he wouldn't be speaking in F***ing riddles now would he :)

2006-12-12 15:44:54 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

NT, OT, what's up with this? Is this some code you are using?
Look, if you want straight answers to your oh so important questions, then start by constructing quality sentences.><>

2006-12-12 15:42:28 · answer #7 · answered by CEM 5 · 0 3

Dude, they all cherry-pick. If they didn't, it'd die out.

2006-12-12 15:43:27 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

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