How do you explain these prophecies?

Question

Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53.
Read these and tell me who they are talking about. I honestly can't see how people can be so blind. If you guys can't figure it out, I'll add it onto the question soon. Thank you for your time.

J.P., that's quite a strong accusation you have there. What doesn't he fulfill?

I was going to explain these but seeing the responses I have recieved, it has already been explained. Many thanks to those who are true believers.

It's obviously not King Arthur because it is written that he would be a Nazarene (someone from Nazareth), born in Bethlehem, and over a 130 other things mentioned. The prophecies are not just one chapter in the Bible, there are probably some that people don't even realize. There are several others mentioned, especially throughout Isaiah. And Psalms were not always pleas for help, they were songs. Some even prophecies. Ask your local Jewish rabbi.

Answer 1

They quite obviously describe Jesus.

Answer 2

Psalm 22 - Couldn't it just as easily be said that the authors of the gospels knew this psalm and wrote the crucifixion narrative with this as a crib sheet? If the psalm were actually a true prophecy of future events, you couldn't easily say it. No name is mentioned in the psalm, nor date, nor any mention of the narrator being the messiah. Also, the psalm is a plea for help. That's different than what seems to be going on in the gospel.

Isaiah 53 - Again, you're just asserting that this passage is about Jesus, when no name is mentioned. There is no single detail that necessarily ties the story of the gospels to this passage. In fact, Jesus isn't even generally described in a similar way in the gospels. This passage more accurately describes King Arthur. Now, I know that the King Arthur myth and this passage are far removed from each other, but the archetypal monarch that King Arthur represented is the same found in the Old Testament.

Sorry. But a prophecy needs specificity.

Answer 3

I know where you're going with this. But there is a group who does NOT agree with your latter-day retro-fit, or that Jesus fulfills the prophecies - period. Now, normally I wouldn't intervene in these squabbles, but the fact that you admit to "J.P." not to know the arguments involved is disturbing. Does it occur to you that perhaps the opinion of the people TO WHOM THESE WRITINGS BELONG should be (at least) examined before you jump to conclusions? You don't see a frisson of arrogance in telling the Jews how to interpret THEIR scriptures? And even if you don't, for the sake of due diligence should you not READ WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT IT!

If it's of any interest, the rather thorough discrediting of those interpretations have been public record since the first Jewish-Christian "disputations" (e.g., 1263 Barcelona ordered by Jaime I of Aragon) were carried out in Spain..

Answer 4

They were prophecies telling what the Messiah was to be. Much of the Old Testament is a testament about the Holy One of Isreal who would fulfill the Law and redeem God's people, whether Jew or Gentile.

Answer 5

Psalms
Jesus did not open his mouth to any of his perscuters, he said no harm about them as Luke 23:34; He hold no harm agains them Rev.1:7;
Isaiah
Jesus is the only one that qualifies to save the heavens, the earth and the offsprings Adam. 2Pet.3:13; 1Cor.15:22-28; Heb.9:27; 2Cor.5:10;
John 3:16;
God loved the world, it was a painful death for Jesus, he did not want to be separated from God, but it had to be and he did it. He was not saying any harm.

Answer 6

When reading this if you read the new testament you will see it was Jesus...why cant people see that...


Isaiah 53
1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering.
Like one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.

8 By oppression [a] and judgment he was taken away.
And who can speak of his descendants?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [b]

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

11 After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light of life [d] and be satisfied [e] ;
by his knowledge [f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, [g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong, [h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors

Answer 7

Isaiah 53 describes HaMosiach.

Unfortunately for Christianity, Jesus failed to meet the requirements of HaMosiach, so Isaiah 53 does not describe him.

Answer 8

They are about the atonement of Christ.

Answer 9

Who else could this be about but Christ!