Not talking about a particular one;but from a supreme being perspective:
Does it actually give ya'll comfort to try and believe there's not a God?
Or do ya'll just continue to say that becuase ya'll dont know which one is real?And your afraid to trust people when they say this or that God is real?
Becuas honestly, anybody with eyes should be able to see theirs more than enough evidence for God or a suprem creator. Randomness does not create complex things, it only makes a mess. You would actually need a creator to to take the time to actually make something and make it more and more complex.
Again does it give you comfort to believe there's no God. Or is that just a defense mechanism becuase you're afraid to do like the one deciple that wanted to walk on water like Jesus? Are you afraid to step out on faith?
2006-12-12 11:18:53 · 28 answers · asked by Maurice H 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I would rather there was one. But there isn't.
2006-12-12 11:21:18 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 7⤊ 1⤋
See, you're wrong there. But first, let me answer your question. i am an atheist. It does give me comfort not believing in God because I feel free and responsible for my own actions.
Now, you are wrong in your whole approach on Randomness. Atheists do not necessarily see the world as random. I believe that the universe is controlled by physical laws, like gravity. These were not created and are a fact of nature. So, everything that happened after the big bang was a matter of probability governed by natural/physical laws. Remember, the universe is enormous (billions and billions of known stars with planets), so the probability that there is a world that can sustain life, while it may be a 1 in a billionth of a chance, it actually would be more inprobable for there not to be a planet of this type.
2006-12-12 11:25:13 · answer #2 · answered by Existence 3 · 3⤊ 1⤋
No. It was very painful having to face a more indifferent universe than the one I'd believed in for many years. No, realising God was not there was not a decision that gave me comfort. But comfort is not my top priority.
You say: "Becuas honestly, anybody with eyes should be able to see theirs more than enough evidence for God or a suprem creator. Randomness does not create complex things, it only makes a mess."
I say: "Because, honestly, anyone with eyes should be able to see that there's more than one opinion out there held by intelligent people, and the issue is hardly settled with certainty."
To assert that randomness does not create complexity is a nonsense, suggesting a wilful clinging to oversimplified dogma, or at least loose and muddy thinking. It is refuted perhaps most simply by a picture book of the Mandelbrot set.
Are you afraid to face a more complex and uncertain world than that you currently believe in?
Are you afraid to question comfortable dogma?
(Just asking for reciprocity)
2006-12-12 11:47:18 · answer #3 · answered by Pedestal 42 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
There is no evidence whatsoever for the existance of any supreme being, or any collectively supreme beings.
In fact, everything we have been able to determine a cause for has had mundane worldly causes, while those we haven't found causes for do not show any signs of breaking known physical laws. Given the great number of phenomena investigated over the centuries, the statistical evidence against supernatural beings or forces is actually quite strong. Therefore the agnostic view is as illogical as the various spiritual views.
Also, you should read up on chaos, fractals, and emergent traits in biology. Randomness with just a few rules applied to it (like, for instance, the laws of physics) can make for some fairly orderly phenomena, and quite beautiful and complex order at that.
The rest of your question is moot.
2006-12-12 11:32:20 · answer #4 · answered by John's Secret Identity™ 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
If there was "more than enough evidence" for the existence of God, then scientists would long ago have discovered this evidence and you would not ask this question. Further, randomness can and does create complexity every day. And, the ability to produce such randomness very well could be an act of god - I do not know, because we have no evidence that a god does (or does not) exist. Does it give you comfort to believe that there is a god? One who created all that you see, just as it is? Including asthma, diabetes, polio, ebola, aids, hurricanes, typhoons, malaria, roaches, etc? Seems like a random mess to me...
2006-12-12 11:34:21 · answer #5 · answered by Rod S 3 · 4⤊ 1⤋
"theirs more than enough evidence for God or a suprem creator"
Show me this evidence. No one has ever shown rational evidence.
Uncertainty about how complex things came about is not evidence of a god. We're not primitives anymore who have to attribute unknown things to gods. Such as how the ancient Greeks made up the God Apollo to drive a Chariot of fire across the sky. Because they couldn't come up with a better explanation for what the sun was.
No, just because we don't know how something works, does not mean we have to invent imaginary beings in the sky. Show me plausible evidence, and I'll walk out there on the water beside you.
2006-12-12 11:29:18 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
Christmas isn't a pagan vacation, the social gathering of the iciness solstice is a pagan vacation and at the same time as the Romans bought christianity to some thing of the international, it became a lot less stressful to get human beings to celebrate the delivery of their saviour on a date that became already being celebrated by using thousands and thousands of persons. no matter if you celebrate the iciness solstice, the delivery of Jesus or no longer some thing in any respect is as a lot as you yet fairly, this is only a very good time to get inclusive of kin and there is not any longer some thing incorrect with that. As for it being materialistic? for sure it really is! we stay in a very aggressive, textile international i'm afraid.
2016-10-18 04:43:50 · answer #7 · answered by ridinger 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Maurice, get used to people scoffing at You. I understand Your frustration trying to get people not just to believe that God actually exists, but that He had a son named Jesus Christ that once taught the world how to love, and through Him, will not perish in the lake of fire. People done the same to Noah when God flooded the world. We're not perfect, we're just forgiven. As far as the Holy Bible is concerned, it is a BIOGRAPHY, not an AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Wake up people, don't miss the forest for the trees. There IS an evil spirit, being, whatever it is controlling the earth...You see it everyday in the news. If people would stop wasting so much energy in trying to disprove the Bible, we should be finding the source of why we're asking why! Look at what Jesus said..."in the last days, man's love for each other will grow cold", some say that this is a vague statement, it is true. He also said "You will be hated for my name's sake"...need I say more? Now, I've heard that Christians are just "playin' it safe, than sorry" what DO You have to lose?!! I guarantee everyone that if they research some of the prophecies that Jesus spoke of, they will find that not only everything in the Bible is true, but that Jesus will return, there will be an Anti-Christ that will set up a world empire, and the Lord Jesus will prevail and ALL will declare Him King. God bless You all, in Jesus name, Amen
2006-12-12 11:47:45 · answer #8 · answered by slnixon3 3 · 1⤊ 4⤋
As for your claims about randomness:
Complexity arises from simplicity (or randomness) all the time. The Mandelbrot set is an example (Dewey 1996). Real-life examples include the following: A pan of water with heat applied uniformly to its bottom will develop convection currents that are more complex than the still water; complex hurricanes arise from similar principles; complex planetary ring systems arise from simple laws of gravitation; complex ant nests arise from simple behaviors; and complex organisms arise from simpler seeds and embryos.
Complexity should be expected from evolution. In computer simulations, complex organisms were more robust than simple ones (Lenski et al. 1999), and natural selection forced complexity to increase (Adami et al. 2000). Theoretically, complexity is expected because complexity-generating processes dissipate the entropy from solar energy influxes, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics (Wicken 1979). Ilya Prigogine won the Nobel Prize "for his contributions to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, particularly the theory of dissipative structures" (Nobel Foundation 1977). According to Prigogine, "it is shown that non-equilibrium may become a source of order and that irreversible processes may lead to a new type of dynamic states of matter called 'dissipative structures' " (Prigogine 1977, 22).
So still, no evidence.
2006-12-12 11:27:39 · answer #9 · answered by skeptic 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
I resent the fact that people like you continue to say that we find comfort in not believing or that it's a defense mechanism.
Maybe I don't believe because the thought of someone actually WALKING on water is RIDICULOUS!
Maybe I don't believe because the bible is condescending to women, contradicts itself, and is EXTREMELY hard to believe.
Maybe I don't believe because I am disgusted with the amount of hate and animosity religion breeds in you, and since it's "god's word", means that your god is a hateful thing as well.
Maybe I hate everything that your god and religion are for, i.e. ban on homosexual marriage and rights, pro-life, etc.
Maybe I am an Atheist because I can be.
Maybe I am an Atheist because there IS no proof (regardless of your claim) that there is anything to believe in.
Maybe you should get an original argument that hasn't been repeated 500 times, and come back when you have something to say.
2006-12-12 11:24:33 · answer #10 · answered by Heck if I know! 4 · 7⤊ 1⤋
Your complexity argument is exactly backwards: anyone with the ability to see clearly can see that intentional design is far too limited to produce anything as complex as life. It takes nonintentional processes to do that. Just look around you.
You're seriously mistaken about all of this. The fact that the world is so complex is an excellent argument against intelligent design or any other notion that the universe was created by a designer.
2006-12-12 11:32:35 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋