This is supposed to be a Christian holiday, everybody wants it so they can get presents but they don't want to let us acknowlege Christ. Regardless of whether or not he was really born on 12/25, this is the time we celebrate it. And now suddenly, in the last couple of years people are offended by it? They don't want Christmas music about Christ (some want no Christmas music at all) in the department stores, they don't want any public reference to Christ (during the Christmas season).
They also say that we should throw our beliefs and celebrations by the wayside and just say "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" Forget that!
When everyone wants to celebrate Halloween and there a decorations of ghosts and demons and such in all of the stores, do you see Christians take department stores to court because they are offended by the perpetuation of a pagan holiday? No. When you tell us "Happy Halloween, do we tell you not to say that or complain because we are "offended"?
2006-12-12 10:53:08 · 25 answers · asked by chuck3011 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Great post Maurice H.
2006-12-12 10:59:54 · update #1
I know...Do You??- Kwanza is a made up holiday that was invented in the 60's. Why do you slam Christianity for "stealing" the season from the Pagans then defend Kwanza with the very same post?
2006-12-12 11:03:13 · update #2
O.K. guys (anti merry Chrismas folks) lets pretend that we do it your way. No merry Christmas, instead we'll make up a holiday named Kwanza and we'll suddenly remember that there is acually some kind of pagan holiday that's the real holiday and let's not forget Hannakah and Ramadan. So we're too lazy or hyper-sensitive to address each one individually so we're going to just say "Happy holidays" O.K. we'll need treat Halloween the same way. I'll make a new holiday on October 30th called globittygoop day. I'll remember some Ugandan mating festival that just happens to land on November 3rd. We'll suddenly remember that some famous person's birthday is on October 28th, have to celebrate that. OOPS! too many holidays. We'll just have to say "Happy Holidays" again. 4th of July? Not PC enough. Might offend British nationals. Now it's world freedom day. Pretty soon we'll just forget what we celebrate. We'll have holiday #1 in January, holiday #2 in February and so on.
2006-12-12 15:16:26 · update #3
I can complain to and sue the stores because they have halloween decorations and nothing celebrating globittygoop day. Are you guys finally getting the point about how ridiculous your arguments are?
2006-12-12 15:23:32 · update #4
All I want for our country is to celebrate as we want. I say "Merry Christmas" to my Muslim, Jewish or other freinds. They say Happy Hannakah, Kwanza, Ramadan, Solstus or whatever back and no one is offended. We should be celebrating diversity, not covering it up with "Happy Holidays"
Secular liberals need to stop strongarming us in the courts and stop telling us all when we should or should celebrate and when we should or should not be offended.
2006-12-13 03:26:28 · update #5
To deny the Christ is to be happy in sin.
2006-12-12 10:55:58 · answer #1 · answered by TROLL BOY 3 · 3⤊ 5⤋
No one wants to take "Jesus out of Christmas". What they do want is the removal of a specific religious reference from public places.
There are many religions which celebrate holidays at this time of year, and you really want to have everyone feel welcome when shopping.
Not everyone is Christian. Surprise! And I do not celebrate Christmas, so "Merry Christmas" does not mean anything to me.
I don't take it personally, mind you. However, I find it refreshing that I am greeted at a store with "Seasons Greetings" rather than a religion specific greeting.
When you own the store, you can say whatever you want. But larger stores are recognizing that there are more than just Christians shopping out there. And maybe it might be nice to greet the customer in a fashion that expresses the joy of this season, not just a specific religious holiday.
Maybe you should step back for a moment and re-read what is going on. No one is trying to remove your holiday or your god, but rather they are trying to be more inclusive of everyone elses holidays.
There are a few fanatics out there, but hey, look at your own posting. You seem to have taken this a bit too personally, and have not read what is going on to mean anything else other than personal persecution. And I don't think that is what is going on. You are being just as fanatical as some of the other people out there.
Relax, take a chill pill, and come to realize that the world does not revolve around you or your beliefs. Rather, realize that you are not the only religion out there, that there are others who also enjoy an acknowledgment of the season and maybe it's time to stop being the center of attention and instead spread some of that Holiday Cheer to everyone else.
2006-12-12 11:09:26 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
People don't want to take Jesus out of Christmas, they want to take Christmas out of public celebration (at least without including all the other winter celebrations of other religions and traditions).
It is NOT the Christmas season! There are so many other holidays celebrated at this same time of year, many of them much older than Christmas, that it is an insult to people who celebrate those other holidays to claim the entire time of year for only one of the most relatively recently created holidays. Yule, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, The Festival of Lights... Come on, now.
If you want us to be happy with you wishing us a Merry Christmas, than don't be getting your panties in a bunch if we respond with a "Happy Hanukkah" or "Blessed Yule." Those holidays both predate your sorry excuse for a distorted Pagan solstice celebration, anyway.
On a further note, Halloween is a Catholic holiday, later revised to "All Soul's Day" and "All Saint's Day." It's just that Halloween was the one that happened to catch on better in the USA. Samhain is the Pagan holiday, which is celebrated MUCH differently from how Halloween is celebrated. I think it's absolutely hilarious that the church is now throwing a fit over the celebration of Halloween, claiming that it's Pagan, and trying to turn it into a "Harvest Festival," which is PRESICELY what the original Pagan holiday actually was in the first place.
Do yourself a favor and do some BLOODY RESEARCH before you start spouting your mouth off and making yourself seem even more like an idiot than the people you're trying to put down.
Open your mind, close your mouth, and have a blessed Yule!
2006-12-12 11:09:21 · answer #3 · answered by Lady of the Pink 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Christmas is Pagan. Go read a history book and it will even tell you. It has nothing to do with Christ. Also, where in the Bible does Jesus tell his disciples to remember his birth? He doesn't since that was a Pagan practice that Jews and early Christians did not participate in.
I have heard many 'stories" about all this alleged persecution that you describe but I have yet to see any of it actually occur. Not everyone in the world or even the US is Christian and it is very arrogant to assume they are.
What gives you the right to say that your holiday is superior to those that belong to other religions? Nothing.
2006-12-12 11:29:44 · answer #4 · answered by Cinnamon 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Christmas is a pagan holiday with no roots in Christianity, or Christ. To celebrate it is an offense to God and Christ. Jesus taught us to celebrate the day he died for our sins, not his birthday. Birthday celebrations are also incorrect. In the bible 3 occasions were birthdays mentioned, all 3 times something terrible happened. God doesn't want us to celebrate birthdays, Jesus' birthday is no different. I think the holiday should be celebrated as a pagan holiday as it is, there is nothing wrong with separation of church and state, Haven't you heard of the Constitution? Halloween doesn't pretend to be Christian, and no church is involved, it is a pagan holiday and celebrated as such. Christmas should be the same. The name should be changed back to Saturnalia and celebrated as the birth of Ra, the pagan god of the sun. Don't be fooled Christmas is not Christian/
2006-12-12 11:01:54 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
Who? Who says any of this? Can you give some examples? I personally don't want to hear Christmas tunes in October. Who doesn't want public reference to Christ? I don't want to see the nativity on the courthouse or town hall lawn. In the town park, we have a nativity scene, and Santa and Rudolph, and a star of David and a menorah. Because our town believes that EVERY FAITH should be included in the holiday season. No one is asking you to throw away your beliefs - we're asking that you acknowledge that your faith is not the ONLY faith which has celebrations this time of year. And, I'm sorry, but if you get offended by kids dressing up and asking for candy at Halloween, there's something wrong.
2006-12-12 10:59:48 · answer #6 · answered by ReeRee 6 · 4⤊ 1⤋
Christmas is also Pagan, Christians just happened to steal it. As for this whole "issue" of yours, we don't want to hear about Christ please and thank you. It is actually foolish of you to think that he existed because there is no evidence what so ever. The bible does not count as evidence because anyone could have written it. Therefore, why should we say Merry Christmas if Christ may have not even existed? You should be glad you have a friggen' holiday! Us Atheists have no holiday.. you should be the last one complaining. You are the majority, we are the minority.
2006-12-12 10:59:23 · answer #7 · answered by untilyoucamealong04 3 · 5⤊ 1⤋
What ever gave you the thought this replaced right into a Christian usa. I see George Washington on the a million$ bill, not St. Peter! you could locate manger scenes throughout for the time of Christmas. and that i've got not seen any Muslims battling site visitors to worship interior the streets. i'm not saying that it does not take place, basically that i've got not seen or heard something approximately it. looks like Paranoia to me.
2016-12-11 07:57:08 · answer #8 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
First - you can't claim Christmas is under attack when your religion comprises the majority of people in the U.S. Second, I really wish I could see real life examples of this. I haven't so far. All I've heard are "stories", none of which I can confirm. As a matter of fact - I've seen scores of nativity scenes all over the place, the word Jesus being used A LOT. People are saying Merry Christmas left and right (even I say Merry Christmas to my friends who practice Christmas (and they say the same to me). I've seen movies about Jesus being advertised on local TV stations and cable. I really don't see this alleged war on Christmas. Sorry. Where do you live? I live in a pretty good sized city and Jesus is everywhere!
2006-12-12 10:59:09 · answer #9 · answered by swordarkeereon 6 · 5⤊ 1⤋
JESUS' BIRTH The Real Story
The night of Jesus' birth has become famous as the basis for Nativity scenes. However, the real story is quite different from the one so often depicted. Historian Luke, who tells us of the census that brought Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem, also tells us of the shepherds' spending that important night out-of-doors with their flocks. These two circumstances have led many Bible researchers to conclude that Jesus could not have been born during December. They point out the unlikelihood of Caesar's forcing the volatile Jews to trek to their home cities during the cold and rainy season, which could further enrage a rebellious people. It is equally unlikely, scholars note, that shepherds would have been living out-of-doors with their flocks in such inclement weather.—Luke 2:8-14.
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http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1998/12/15/article_02.htm
2006-12-12 11:00:38 · answer #10 · answered by Kevin 5 · 2⤊ 3⤋
December 25th WAS a pagan holiday LONG before it was Christmas.
Also, why do you want to exclude all OTHER holidays that DO fall around that time? Kwanzaa, Hannukah, Winter Solstice...do these things not have as much "importance" as Christmas? What makes you holiday superior to others?!?!!
People want to say Happy Holidays so you INCLUDE these traditions, most being around LONG before Christmas. It's not going against Christmas...Christmas is a holiday as well!
I think that you should just realize that Christmas isn't the only holiday around and just accept that your holiday is no better than anyone elses!!!!
Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-12-12 10:59:50 · answer #11 · answered by Heck if I know! 4 · 6⤊ 1⤋