Jesus died for our sins? Part 2?

Question

I asked for someone to please explain what "Jesus died for our sins" a few hours ago. Here are some responces:

Without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness of sin.

Before God came in Christ Jesus to walk here with man for the last time on this earth... the only way to put off sin was to make an animal sacrifice.... the blood was payment of the sin debt...Jesus The Christ was both fully God and fully man... The mortal flesh was sacrificed on The Cross and The Blood was the final Sacrifice for all of mankind... it paid the sin debt of all, past present and future...

All who will come to God as He prescribes will be seen by God to be covered by The Blood of Christ...
God will see no sin in them...

Do I understand God sanctions 'blood letting' for his sake? Really? Am I reading this stuff right? Sacrificing an animal was no longer good enough - so it had to be a person? No wonder I never understood or caught on to that train of thought. It is perverted.

Answer 1

I always found the blood of Jesus thing to be a rather disturbing and barbaric notion, and they call other religions pagan? What's more pagan, chanting a few harmless spells or sacrificing and bleeding out animals and humans in order to offer blood atonement's to Yahweh?

When the Romans arrived in Judea they reported animal and human sacrifices even involving children among the various Jewish cults. It was common practice among some of them to have a yearly sacrifice of a man chosen to be the savior King, or Christos, the Messiah to atone for the sins of all the people, for without the shedding of blood there could be no remission. The sacrifices were so widespread the Romans enacted a law forbidding the practice. These practices and pagan beliefs in blood atonement form the basic roots of the Savior King Jesus Christ mythology as there were many Christos Messiahs sacrificed throughout Hebrew history.

The whole notion that God required the brutal sacrifice and blood of animals and people is simply ludicrous. Through some insane illogical form of abstract reasoning the practice was widespread among many different primitive cultures, the early Jews and Christians notwithstanding.

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Answer 2

The bible is a book that was put together a very long time ago. Stories were chosen. Some stories were not included. Then they were translated several times... Then revised.
I suppose there may be some truth in bibles depending on who made the choices in what stories to include and who did the translating and so on. Also you might want to consider that the word heaven in the bible is a translation from the word sky in the original language the bible was written. To me this sheds new light on the old saying lost in translation.

Answer 3

I don't understand why either. Why did God allow evil? When will God end all this and return to earth? Why does God seek to be glorified?

I do know God exists. I've felt his presence, heard his Spirit, and seen the effects of his work. So it's not like I'm believing in something I cannot experience because I have experienced God. I know that when I do die, I'll be with him.

Answer 4

Christ was the final sacrifice. The animals were only forshadowing the coming of Christ. God gave his son as the ultimate sacrifice to show His love for all man kind. Jesus was God the son and sinless, he gave himself willingly. That he who was without sin paid the debt for all who sinned, shows no one else could have paid the debt, because no one else is without sin.

Answer 5

in judaism, sacrifices were done, yes. but under strict circumstances..

first off, there had to be a temple. like right now there is no major temple, so the jews you see now never sacrifise anyone.

secondly, there are so many other things you can do to repent then sacrifise. so many others. if you read the Bible you will understand that.

jesus sacrificed himself for us. but i think it was more of a way to explain the love he has for us.

and sadly, all kinds of people, animals, and so forth were sacrificed at that time. God never really said what could or couldn't be sacrificed, and people were messed up and sacrificed other people.

Answer 6

Putting it in human terms. A person borrows a large sum of money, but does not pay it back. The entity from whom the money was borrowed goes to court. The judge rules in favor of the lender and the borrower is ordered to pay back the money in full with interest. The borrower is unable to do so. The judge rules that the borrower must go to jail until the sum is paid in full or until his jail sentence is served. A friend goes to the judge and pays the full amount in settlement of the debt. The judge then releases the borrower from jail.

Was it just that the borrower not have to pay anything? Should not the borrower have had to pay back the full amount or serve his sentence? Without his friend's intervention, he would have had to. If God is just and holy, He cannot allow sin to go unpunished, just like in our own judicial system. A murderer should not be allowed to go free. The result would be chaos.

Sin is like that. We sin, and the punishment for sin is death - death being defined as separation from God. We are unable to pay the judgment against us. Our friend, Jesus, pays the entire debt for us - and in doing so grants us eternal life (life with God). Why death on the cross? Why physical death when we are discussing spiritual death? Jesus died a physical death in fulfillment of the human death. Jesus died a spiritual death (which was much worse than the physical one as He was separated from God the Father when all the sins of the world were placed upon Him) in payment for our sins. Jesus rose from the grave (tomb) in victory over death, that through His sacrifice, we can live eternally with God.

Now, it's up to you. Your choice - life with God eternally or life without God eternally.

Answer 7

As an unbeliever once it was explained to me like this, and I got it. Hope it helps. the origianl rules with Moses were made to expose sin-to make people aware they were doing bad, to help hold them accountable for their sins until the Messiah came. God said He would establish a new covenant that would overrule the first. He sent Christ, Jesus lived and taught God's will on earth, He was sent for a sacrifice.( Here is the tricky part. My parents have a will, things are to be given to me upon their death. I cannot collect on this will till they die. When they die only then do I get the items on the will. )So God gave the promise of this new covenant. Since adam was cursed with sin all of us are sinful. Thus God's Holy Spirit planting a perfect seed untainted by human sin into a virgin. Jesus was untouched by human sin. Now God was angry with man and does not hear man at this time, all who seek forgiveness must speak to (appointed by God)priests. So Christ must die to make this covenant come true. Christ was pleasing in God's eyes. Therfore He is the perfect sacrifice to join us back to God. Christ was untainted by Adams original sin. Christ went to heaven and at that time sent the Holy Spirit. All who beleive in Christ and have faith and are born again(or made new ) in Him can be clearly seen by God. Because God recognizes His Son in us. So this was basically in easier terms our way to collect on the 'will'. Remember Jesus had to be humbled as human-He died to save you. I hope this shed light for you.

Answer 8

Jesus died so that our sins will be taken away. We no longer have to sacrifice an animal. Nobody has to sacrifice anything.

And answering some others, He died BUT he came back to life. If you knew (like Him) that you would be dead 3 days, but then be brought back to life, it isn't bad. God had it all planned.

Answer 9

Interesting...

I am curious how you got from there answers to 'blood letting' Also how animal blood sacrificing "wasn't enough?" I think you set those people up to pick them apart for the purpose of an agenda.

The proof is in the lives of the ones following and living in the reality of the changed life through the power of the resurrected Christ.

Answer 10

In the old testament, Jewish tradition was to kill a animal without blemish. God sent his son so that we wouldn't have to do that anymore. He sacrificed His son,but his time is was for our forgiveness. Before Jesus died, he lived among us as a human being, the human form of God teaching about love and forgiveness.