Serious biblical scholars only please... I have a question about the crucifixion.?

Question

When Jesus was on the cross, there was a brief period of time where he lamented his plight and asked if God had abandoned him, right? (I think I'm right about that, but not 100% sure, so correct me if I'm wrong)

Why do you suppose he did that if he knew all along that it was God's plan to have him sacrificed for our sins? Does that "humanize" him to a degree that contradicts claims of god-like pedigree? I've always wondered about that... Seems to me that if he knew all along what God's plan was, he'd be rejoicing on the cross the whole time, free of doubt.

Thanks for the (mostly) serious attempts at an answer. For once, I WASN'T being a smart-azz when asking a question.

I gave everyone who provided a serious answer a thumbs up, even if I didn't necessarily agree with their thinking. Have a good day!

Answer 1

I agree with you.

I do not think Jesus was any more divine than you or me.

I think what made Jesus so special was that he was willing to do the will of the father instead of his own.

I think the divinity of Jesus, and the trinity of God was added to the scriptures around the time of the Nicean council.

I don't think Jesus died for our sins. I think Jesus came to so us an example of how to live and treat one another. I think Jesus was killed because the rabbis wanted him dead because he was doing things that made them look bad, and the Romans were afraid that he would begin an uprising among the people they could not control.

Jesus clearly gave two commandment of what it took to be saved. and he dis NOT add a third one that said worship me as deity.

I believe we are all the sons and daughters of God.

Answer 2

Jesus was human and divine. When Jesus took on the sins of the whole world, the Father couldn't look at him, so Jesus felt abandoned for that short time. Jesus willingly went through the pain, but he suffered most when his Father had to look away. God hates sin, and his son had just taken on all the sins of the world before he died.

Answer 3

Jesus never claimed to be God's Son;

MATTHEW 26: 63-64 ' And the high priest said to him (Jesus) : I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said to him : You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven'.

Even in the Lost Books of the Bible, when asked by Pontius Pilate, Jesus gave the same answer. Nowhere in the Bible there's any mention of him being God's Son. In the other Books not included in the Bible (such as the Gospel of Mary, James or Nicodemus) he's referred to as God's Son; however there's no real evidence of Jesus being God's Son, except for Faith. So, as a scholar I can tell you that Jesus' words on the cross (those you correctly reported) are coherent with his 100% human condition; however , if you' re Christian, and you believe he was god's Son, then, there's no way you can come to a reasonable explaination. Just forget about that question and hang on to your Faith. He spoke those words because he was a human being and not God's Son. Peace.

Answer 4

Christ was quoting the 22nd psalm which was wrote 1000 years before He was born by David, thus fulling prophecy. He also had to suffer the pain of sin by placing it on Himself. He becames sin for us, and also remember that even on the cross He forgave the thief on the right side of Him, so even then He was doing the Fathers will that the Father sent Him to do. Please take two Bibles and read the account of the crusifiction in the Book of Matthew and open the other to the 22d Psalm and compare them side by side and they are exactly the same.

Also the 23rd Psalm is the ressurection Psalm

Answer 5

You are correct.
"Father, why hast thou forsaken me!?"

It actually makes Jesus more human than less human. Were Jesus to be dehumanized, His Divine nature would surface and the blood sacrifice for sin would have been incomplete.

With His Divine nature momentarily suppressed, Jesus became like any other man, wondering if His heavenly Father had left Him alone. It's conceivable that we would all ask the same question.

Answer 6

Ah yes. here:

By having Jesus literally hung on a tree, it appeared as though God abandoned him, or rejected him.
To hang on a tree was to be under the 'divine curse'
See :
Deut 21:23
Acts 2:36; 4:11
Rom 1:3-4; 4:25
Gal 3:13

But, by raising Jesus from the dead, God vindicated him as the true Messiah.

Jesus is the "first fruits" of the harvest of the age to come.

Answer 7

Even on the cross He was quoting scripture.That was Psalm 22.Even then He was letting the people know it was He that it was written about.He had layed aside some of His glory to relate to mankind(Phillipians states "He thought it not robbery to be equal to God yet He emptied Himself for our sake")
He was very much God and very much man.That's why he could call Himself 'Son of God ' to the man born blind but also use the term 'Son of Man'(basically to identify Himself as the one in Daniel,where he states "I saw in the night visions one like the Son of Man and He came to the Ancient Of Days(the Father)").
The reason He wasn't rejoicing going to the cross was because as the perfect ,sinless one that He was...He was going to take all the sins of the world ALL of them.It wasn't the death he didn't like it was the SIN.As Hebrews (I think 12 or 13) says,"He did it for the joy that would be set before Him".In other words because of the joy of saving us for all eternity.But it was bitter medicine.

Answer 8

While Jesus was on earth, he was human with divine properties. He had to be human enough to die. He was also limited in his contact with God (think of it as mind and heart, they work together, communicate with each other, but are sepperate). ON the cross, he had a very human moment and was scared, but he always put his faith and trust in God, right up to the end.

Besides, you try rejoiceing when you've been tortured and are slowly dying on the cross

Answer 9

He WAS humanity cloaking God, therefore even though He didn't need to do certain things (eat, sleep, and etc.), He did them to show us how we as FULLY HUMAN could live and be truly CHRISTLIKE. His lamentations on the Cross were reflective of not only His pain, but of the pains we would go through at times in our lives, just short of His own.

Answer 10

At about three o’clock in the afternoon, Jesus feels that his end is near. “I am thirsty,” he says. Then with a loud voice, he cries out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Jesus can sense that his Father has, as it were, withdrawn protection from him to allow his integrity to be tested to the limit, and he quotes David’s words. Someone puts a sponge soaked in sour wine to Jesus’ lips. Having had some of the wine, Jesus gasps: “It has been accomplished!” Then he cries out, “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit,” bows his head, and expires.—John 19:28-30; Matthew 27:46; Luke 23:46; Psalm 22:1.