Isn't that taking forgiveness a bit too far?
2006-12-12 01:27:34 · 32 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
You bet I believe it. And although we humans might think it's taking forgiveness a bit too far, that just goes to prove how much we need God's forgiveness in our lives. Lord knows, there's not enough forgiveness in this world. Hope all you atheists and agnostics out there can find it in your hearts to forgive all us poor misguided Christians for advocating such high moral principles.
2006-12-12 01:42:34 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
If you are rational and need "some" evidence to accept this as true, or likely to be true, this is the evidence:
"It’s written in Luke 23:34"
The following are a couple of titbits that make the statement by Jesus UNLIKLY to be true.
Jesus may not have even existed (not a good start!)
Paul was the first to write about Jesus and he only wrote about a death, resurrection and ascension, which he didn’t place on earth, it was all in the context of a mythical realm.
"If Jesus had been
on earth, he would
not have even been
a priest."
Hebrews 8:4
No other account about Jesus was written until a gospel at least 40 years after his death.
Paul didn’t believe that Jesus was ever a human being, he wasn’t even aware of the idea.
Paul is the link for the time-frame given to the life of Jesus and the appearance of the first gospel account of that life.
Paul is the only link to Jesus... so I think the answer to your question is pretty obvious.
2006-12-12 06:08:01 · answer #2 · answered by kujina 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I'm an atheist but yes I believe he said that. Taking forgiveness 'too far' is exactly what made him such an innovator when it came to ethics.
If you cant forgive people who have genuinely wronged you then is the forgiveness as important?
Game theory is only now catching up with the ideas of Jesus and Buddha. Read up on the iterated prisoner's dilemma game. One attribute for success is forgiveness. Retribution brings about endless cycles of revenge which means everyone loses. Its a real shame that Christians trying to be good Christians dont become good human beings. Very sad.
2006-12-12 01:32:02 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
I'm a born-again christian and yes I 100 % believe that Jesus meant what he said totally. He was not taking forgiveness "too far." Jesus died for us, ALL of us, so that we could be made right with god. Through his death, and by us choosing to follow and live for christ. Even though there are people who have not chosen to follow Christ, God still forgives. If we ask. So no. I don't think Jesus was taking it "too far."
2006-12-12 02:29:22 · answer #4 · answered by Ms.J 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes. I believe He said it. I think when a person is wrongly persecuted and is taking death as a homeward return, he would say these words. Why would one want more to suffer under the hands or wrath of God. I am sure you would say this if you are persecuted just like Jesus. Those nailed him and put him to death were not aware of what they were doing. They just carried out their order. But Jesus' forgiveness might even have gone to those passing the death sentence. Now as a Christian, we know that this is Satan's work against God. Satan was unwise to cause the killing. If he had realised his mistake, he would stop the killing. However, that was not easy I think for him since the humans were influenced and were in charge. This is like Satan sitting on the tiger's back. He could be the victim if he planned to uproot the event. Satan was powerless. He had to take his defeat. He was stupid. He was most stupit to continue to wage war against Jesus' followers. He started the plan to persecute them, kill them by fire, devoured by animals, crucified them and do all kind of things to discourage people to embrace Christianity. But he failed miserably. Of course, they are stlill people on his side. That is why, he has also developed plans to disrail Jesus' declaration that he is the only way to heaven. Many cults or false religions were developed. These tried to play down the only way to God through Jesus. They claim all roads will eventually lead to Rome. You think so, then you are mistabken. Jesus is the only way. No matter how hard one will try, the small book, the Bible is stll the safest book to guide humans to salvation and relationship with God. Satan will be a loser but he would surprise everyone by his repentence at the last minute. It would be a joke that all his followers go to hell and he is laughing his heart out in heaven with all the Christians. So be careful about the trick of Satan. You see God has spare him so many times, he will be spared another time. He is the most beautiful creation of God. God loves him even with his naughty works to get innocent souls into hell. Happy Holidays or Blessed Christmas.
2006-12-12 01:48:44 · answer #5 · answered by Ptuan 3 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Yes, I believe it, for part of Christ's ministry was intended to center around forgiveness, regardless of how we've been wronged. Though it was a part of God's plan, the individuals involved truly were ignorant instruments, and needed absolution to be able to understand. Almost immediately after Christ died and the "veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom", one of the SOLDIERS who assisted in the Crucifixion and the casting of lots over His garment said, "Truly, this man WAS the Son of God". Without that understanding (though the Bible never mentions this), that soldier couldn't BEGIN to seek FORGIVENESS!
2006-12-12 02:26:05 · answer #6 · answered by bigvol662004 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes, I believe Jesus said that.
Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law. With all the complexities of Jewish sacrifices for sin, Jesus includes His death on the cross as being sufficient for "sins done in ignorance" as outlined in Leviticus chapter 4.
One can never take forgiveness too far.
2006-12-12 01:36:10 · answer #7 · answered by Bob L 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
The majority of the people understand the meaning of the words.
This is the proof that the words were uttered.
If we, the common people, understand the meaning then Lord Jesus would definitely have uttered these words.
This, I believe, was the core message of his life on Earth.
If I was to choose the best answers it would be those given by ‘zareaper’, ‘Super Goob’, ‘Hari’ etc.
2006-12-12 02:49:53 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus could not take forgiveness further. He set the standard for the rest of us. He made forgiveness available to everyone who has ever lived or who will ever live.
2006-12-12 02:47:29 · answer #9 · answered by waycyber 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I'm not quite sure what your question is, but from my understanding, Jesus wasn't talking about the Jews, He was refering to the Roman Soldiers. They were just following orders, they really didn't have an opportunity to chose. He was asking God to forgive them but at the sametime he wasn't holding a grudge against them for what they were doing. He himself was forging them also. Setting an example for all mankind.
2006-12-12 01:31:12 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋