Do you think that better discipline in schools and more power for police to beat tennagers would reduce crime?

Question

My point is that in the old days the police would slap a teenager round the head for being checky, now they seem powerless and the kids know it.

They have no respecvt for teachers or police.

Answer 1

yes

Answer 2

Beating Teenagers is no longer the answer (and never really was). The School systems has a very good Diciplinary Code. The problem is that Principals and Teachers are reluctant to use it properly. In NYC The NYPD School Safety Division tries to enforce laws in the schools and the Teachers and Principals do everything they can to block their efforts. Principals hide crimes in their schools for fear that they will be rated as ineffective. Teachers just don't care anymore. Their only concern is their contract and how much they can get for doing as little as possible. Maybe they should be rated on their ability to graduate intelligent students instead of just pushing the students through the system. The Police can only fight the crime. The Family and they school must form a partnership to improve the system.

Answer 3

Outstanding question. Smack them about a bit. You are right, these kids have no repsect for police and know the police can do nothing about it. Did you hear about that 12/13 year old who was joy riding and crashed into that guy. Imagine if he'd killed someone, they'd of given him an asbo!

To stop this problem you have to go to the source. Imagine some little 16 year old scumbag knifes a guy on the street and kills him. How do you stop that happening? Heres how, dont let the little s**t exist. What i mean is most of these scumbags are the offspring of scumbags. Birth liscencing or making these people unable to concieve. Yea, its a facist idea but the next time someone you know is knifed, think about it. Introduce it now and you'd see crime drop by about 70-80% within 20 years. Tell me im wrong!

Answer 4

Personally I dont think violence is the answer. All that 'spare the rod and spoil the child' mentality has been proven to be counterproductive. Perhaps what we should be doing is teaching kids how to be good citizens and parents in school - this may start the ball rolling early. Of course in an ideal world parents should be teaching their own kids discipline and respect, but in reality alot fall short of the mark. Discipline and respect for others should be something taught early, we cant expect everyone to understand that we need these things - not everyone has the forsight....
Ultimately we cant expect a nanny state to work, but it would be good to encourage an enviroment of positive learning as apposed to 'sit down and shut up'. We need to lead by example as adults and human beings...then we can have the right to say we did eveything in our power to encourage these so- called yobs to do the right thing. Follwing that, well then maybe stronger measures should be used ...but never violence.
Beleive me I discipline my kids without violence, they know that no means no, and I have a definate process I go through when there is any misbehaving....I want them to understand that there are consequences for actions and that there are better ways to solve problems than violent actions.

Answer 5

I grew up in the old days, lol. Teachers were allowed to strap you if they thought you deserved it. Let me clue you in on this little form of education. First, most kids I knew got enough corporal punishment at home they weren't going to stand still for any at school. That strap was turned around more times than I could count, desks make good missiles, and most teachers can't take a 16 year old in a fair fight-and there were always enough students around to keep it fair. Put simply, it didn't work then it won't work now. Parents have to teach their kids the difference between right and wrong.
Police shouldn't have to beat a teenager, they can subdue them quite nicely without that nonsense. Jails and punishments are handed down as we as a society see fit, that should suffice. That's why this is America and not Russia, get a clue bud.

Answer 6

Discipline should begin in the home where the parents need to actually take the time to teach their kids right from wrong as well as a healthy sense of respect for themselves as well as others. It shouldn't be left up to the schools and the police to teach these things, this is a PARENTAL job. Unfortunately, all too often, parents don't have the time or the inclination to teach these basic behaviors and so society suffers for it. If parents would step up and do this, then perhaps teachers would be allowed to teach and police would be allowed to do their jobs as well, instead of babysitting wayward delinquent teenagers.

Answer 7

NO better discipline in schools isnt the answer. Yes bring back the power to the Police with the resources that the metropolitan police have the dogs, horse etc put them out on the street and show the asbos what they will recieve in future.
But no some busybody says it is to harrasing that the police with dogs. But to a OAP a group of hoodies isnt?

Answer 8

This Government has passed so many laws to protect children that the schools hands are tied regarding dishing out discipline.
As for the Police they do not need more powers to beat teenagers if you go to some areas in Birmingham some Police Officers will beat you not to discipline them, but for their own gratification.

Answer 9

After over 30 years as a cop I think its time that the responsibility goes back to the parents for "slapping the kid around". I could never understand the parent who brought their kid to HQ and wanted us to scare their child so they would behave. "Officer would you scare the **** out of Johnny so he'll eat his dinner tonight and not pee in his bed"? And I wanted to say, "hey daddy, can I lock you up for a few hours for being an irresponsible parent and failing to live up to the leadership role you accepted when you decided to have children?"

When that shift occurs the police will be able to do their jobs. Now, when the child is brought home by the police parents will make every excuse known to man to justify the behavior and blame the police for not spending their time on more important things.

Answer 10

I don't know where Stickyric got his information from, but he is totally wrong. I am 70 years old and, therefore, qualify more than most to give a definitive answer to his question. My teenage years were during the fifties and on no occasion, during that time, did I witness or hear of teenagers being beaten up by the police, the reason being that most of us behaved ourselves because of being taught the difference between right and wrong and having respect for others during our formative years. Of course, there were some bad lads, but there were institutions called Borstals where corrective treatment for those individuals was severe and, therefore, a deterrent.
Things went pear-shaped during the so-called permissive sixties, and now, the teenagers of that era are the fathers, even grandfathers, of the thugs of today whose actions are condoned by their elders because they themselves were badly behaved and don't percieve it to be wrong. The only way, in my opinion, to rectify the matter, is to teach children the difference between right and wrong during the time spent at junior school. Unfortunately, because of the silly 'do-gooders' we have in our midst, this is now not possible.
I have lived through several generations of teenage years...mine were the best.

Answer 11

It's not a school responsibility to discipline children. Their job is to TEACH our children. It's up to a parent to parent kids, including disciplining them. However, I'm afraid I don't share your primitive belief in beating. Violence breeds violence.

If more parents would actually do the jobs they agreed to when having a child and PARENT their kids, then we'd finally see a dramatic decrease in general crime. But don't count on it happening ... parents as a whole have gotten lazy and don't take their job seriousy. Parenting is a full time job, requiring more attention and consistency than most are willing to put in. And so you end up with teenagers running wild, lacking the basic guidance to get anywhere in their lives, who will in turn breed more troublemakers.

Edit: My point is illustrated quite well with minimoto's post above, who believes the school should discipline her 15 year old son. Is there something stopping YOU from raising your own child?

*rolls eyes*

Edit for additional details: Teaching respect is, again, the parents job. Parents have become lazy with their responsibilities, and the proper respect for authority is no longer taught to them.

However, I won't agree with you about this idealist requirement to respect the police. Police are no longer to be blindly trusted or respected, instead to be weary about and mistrusted until they prove they are deserving of more. There have been far too many incidents of police abusing their powers, and general citizens paying for it. I've not taught my kids to respect the police, only to keep their distance.