Ismael or Israel?

Question

So, when God tells Moses about the coming prophet, he says from among your brothers, does he mean Ishmael or Israel.

Here's an argument for Israel. Earlier in Deuteronomy 7:15, God sayd "thou shalt surely set him king over thee, whom Jehovah thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not put a foreigner over thee, who is not thy brother. "

So would you think that "brother" means Israelite in both cases? Why? Why not?

Answer 1

"your brothers" has to be taken in context with whom Moses is speaking to at the time he said it.

Was Moses speaking to his non Israelite brothers, descendants of Esau, (Edom is called brothers of Israel), descendants of Ishmael, (Isaac's half brother)?

No he was addressing to the Israelites, descendants of Isaac and Jacob.

So the prophet must be in the line of Israel.

Answer 2

Where are you getting the coming prophet verse from? Moses is an israelite, chances are if it's among his brothers (not several times removed cousin) it is an Israelite. The promise was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel), that they would become a great nation, all the world would be blessed through their seed, David's descendant would sit on the throne forever, etc. Jesus is the great Prophet, Priest, and King.

Answer 3

Well, your argument kind of clinches it.

It clearly demonstrates that it cannot be exclusively referencing the Ishmaelites.

Case in point: In other case, it refers to Edomites using the same word.

So, maybe you have three possiblities: Israel, Ishmael, or Esau.

So, what do you do in such a case? Well, what you do in every case: Derive it from the context.
Just like the Jewish Kings were Jewish so too were the Jewish prophets were Jewish.

BTW, Deuteronomy is not talking about a specific "special" prophet but rather prophets in general as can be learned, again, from the context.

Answer 4

because a person who was not an israelite was not the brethren of an israelite. by that time many, many generations had passed since issac and ishmael. i don't consider anybody beyond my second cousins to be my brethren. claiming that tenth cousins are the brethren of the israelites is just far-fetched.

Answer 5

Noah is to 350 years after the flood. Gen.9:28,29;
Shem is to 502 years after the flood. Gen.11:10,11;
Abraham was 352 to 527 years after the flood. Gen.25:7,9;
Ishmael was from 438 to 575 years after the flood.Gen.16:16; 25:17;
Isaac is from 452 to 632 years after the flood. Gen.21:5; 35:28,29;
Jacob is from 512 to 642 in Egypt, to 659 years after the flood.Gen.25,26; 47:9,11,28;
Joseph age 40 in Egypt 642, Jacob Gen.47:9 Egypt. 712 after the flood, Gen.50:26;
Aaron born 774, age 83 Exo.7:7; to age 123, 897 after flood, Num.33:38,39;
Moses born 777, age 80 Exo.7:7; 857 to age 120, 897 after the flood, in Deut.34:7;
Joshua 898 to Judge Jair dies Judges 11:26; is 300 years to 1,198 after the flood.
Samuel is 1,227 to 1,307, King Saul is 1,293 to 1333, King David 1Ki.2:10.11; at 1,373.
!ki.6:1; 480 Solomon at 897 after Moses is 1,377 after the flood, has 36 years 1Ki.11:42; to 1413 after the flood and 997 years before Christ.
The Judah kings go to the 391st year to Babylon captivity 1804 2Chr.36:20-23; after the flood, and 606 years before Christ. The Promised Land is desolate. Matt.1:1-17;

THERE WILL BE NO KING UNTIL KING CHRIST JESUS AT HIS SECOND COMING

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Deut.18:15;

Answer 6

Israel (Jacob, from Isaac).

(Hebrews 11:8-12) Abraham, when he was called, obeyed...9 By faith he resided as an alien in the land of the promise as in a foreign land, and dwelt in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the very same promise. 10 For he was awaiting the city having real foundations, the builder and maker of which city is God. 11 By faith also Sarah herself received power to conceive seed, even when she was past the age limit, since she esteemed him faithful who had promised. 12 Hence also from one man, and him as good as dead, there were born children just as the stars of heaven for multitude and as the sands that are by the seaside, innumerable. . .

(Galatians 4:22-5:1) For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama; for these women mean two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Hagar. ...28 Now we, brothers, are children belonging to the promise the same as Isaac was. 29 But just as then the one born in the manner of flesh began persecuting the one born in the manner of spirit, so also now. 30 Nevertheless, what does the Scripture say? “Drive out the servant girl and her son, for by no means shall the son of the servant girl be an heir with the son of the free woman.” 31 Wherefore, brothers, we are children, not of a servant girl, but of the free woman. 5 For such freedom Christ set us free.

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Answer 7

Ismael(arabs) is the brother of Isaac(jews)

If Moses says among yourself, thus it will mean the jews themselves.

Answer 8

Moses (pbuh) preached to and was one of the "Children of Israel"
Israel was another name for Jacob (pbuh).
Moses (pbuh) was thus one of the descendants of Jacob (pbuh).
Jacob (pbuh) was a descendant of Isaac (pbuh).
Ishmael (pbuh) was the elder brother of Isaac (pbuh). They were both sons of Abraham (pbuh).
So, Moses was related to Ishmael (pbuh), through his ancestors.
Jesus (pbuh) was from among the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Muhammed (pbuh) was from among the descendants of Ishmael (pbuh).

Answer 9

Ishmael, the son of Abraham
and his SERVANT, Hagar, was born and died.
Being born of man and woman, he cannot be the promised Messiah.
Isaiah 7;14 and 9; 6,7