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How can mutations(recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

the test for any thoery is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Evolution is not a good theory it is a pagan religion masquerading as a science.

Where did space for the universe come from?

Where did matter come from?

Where did the laws of the universe come from(gravity, inertia, etc.)

DNA and RNA to carry DNA messages to cell parts?

I could go on and on .

2006-12-11 13:45:37 · 34 answers · asked by chris z 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

34 answers

You have not answered anything by the implication that there is a god. Where did God come from? All you do by that is delay the question a step.

I personally think the Universe and its physical laws were always here in some form. That is the same answer you will give for god.

The English language does and has evolved. It just hasn't evolved into Chinese.

Mutations happen all the time. Look at cows. There aren't any wild ones like the ones on the farm because they evolved due to human selection. People are about 2 feet taller than they were in the 1600s which is yet another mutation. You probably had to get your wisdom teeth removed--did your god screw up and make your jaw too small? Why do you have inner eyelids that are too small to work? Why do you have an appendix that used to digest cellulose, but doesn't work anymore? How about the several hundred chromosomes in your DNA that are used by other species, but not humans?

I could go on an on about the things that don't make any sense at all that are in the Bible. Why were plants created before the Sun that provides their food? How come it puts such a large part of the creation time, on such a utterly tiny part of the Universe, and just blows right by all the complexity that is out there that the guys who wrote it didn't know about?

Just because you haven't bothered to try to understand the universe around you and took the lazy "magic did it" route doesn't change the fact that you haven't tried to understand. Most Atheists (myself included) have read the Bible and tried to understand it. We just made an informed decision not to.

Science doesn't claim to know everything. We only claim that it is a rational way to find out.

2006-12-11 14:05:05 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

No, no combination of English characters will give you Chinese. But that's a false analogy. By rearranging the letters in any of these sentances, we could come up with a true explanation for the origin of the universe - and that would be new information, correct? New books of new information use the same words as old books, just in a different order. So copying an old strand of DNA in somewhere else (as in a mutation) is like inserting new words - and it happens enough, you'll get new meaning from old sentances. It's actually easier with DNA since you only have 4 letters to work with instead of 26.

Where did matter come from? That's cosmology, not evolution. Hint: big difference. Confusing the two just makes me wonder how much background research you did before posting a question.

Laws of the universe? Ditto.

2006-12-11 13:49:02 · answer #2 · answered by eri 7 · 7 0

Where did space for the universe come from?

Space is infinate, besides, it had to go somewhere.

Where did matter come from?

Matter is a consistancy, meaning it is always there, but it does change forms from matter to energy

Where did the laws of the universe come from(gravity, inertia, etc.)

They have been there since matter was there. Matter is what created these laws

DNA and RNA to carry DNA messages to cell parts?

That's biology, it happens to allow the creature to survive.

I could go on and on.

What evolutionist couldn't do as well?


To say that something cannot come from nothing sums up your whole question, but you must also understand that god did so in the bible, so this is not really a valid claim to have.

2006-12-11 13:52:31 · answer #3 · answered by Ghost Wolf 6 · 2 0

Genetic code and Roman letters are apples and oranges. Mutations result in new improved varieties if and only if they are better able to adapt to the environment than the previous species. A change in color for certain moths in London did this; due to all the pollution, black moths were able to survive better than white moths (harder to see, so birds didn't capture them as easily).

Evolution is not a product of pagan religion, pagan religions believe in a creation account, too (go back and read Greek and Norse mythologies).

Matter is routinely "borrowed" from the space-time continuum, creating it, then annhilating itself almost immediately. At least one theory suggest that the Big Bang may have been a massive "borrowing" from space-time itself.

The universe is space itself, it didn't come from anywhere.

All forces of the universe were likely combined into one. Gravity is the only one not currently combined in in theories. Electromagnetism and the weak force (changes protons into neutrons and vice-versa) unite at very high temperatures, at even higher temperatures, the strong force (keeps nuclei together) untites with them.

Simply because science does not have an answer does not make Creationism correct. In fact, there are many fallacies with Creationism. If the earth is only 6000 years old, why does radio-carbon dating show rocks, etc. to be much older? Why would evolution only occur in short term (as it does) and not over much longer periods of time leading to our present world? If God created the universe, then where did God come from? Like you, I could go on and on...

2006-12-11 13:54:17 · answer #4 · answered by The Doctor 7 · 2 0

Basically? Most mutations are bad for the organism in question. However, some confer some sort of advantage. It may not be much, but you know, you don't have to run faster than a leopard, just faster than your buddy. Or perhaps you're cuter, so your mother responds by giving you more food so you grow bigger than your siblings; not all of it is driven by red in tooth and claw events.

As for your other questions... they don't have anything to do with biological evolution (and the last one isn't even a coherent question). Biological evolution says nothing about where the universe or even life came from; I can't recall what the study of former is called, but the latter is the study of abiogenisis.

Try again.

2006-12-11 13:56:46 · answer #5 · answered by The Lurkdragon 2 · 1 0

Genetic variations don't create improved varieties. They just create differences, that when combined with a varying environment, lead to some variations having a greater likelihood of reproducing. There is nothing "new and improved," simply differences that are selected for in a changing world.

These changes most often are accounted for by species populations being separated by geography. This can happen via ocean currents, winds, continental drift, floods and stream rerouting. For example, on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon lives the Kaibab Squirrel, found no where else on earth. Its DNA indicates that it is related to a similar squirrel on the south rim, but they can no longer interbreed.

You seem relatively inarticulate in matters of science, so I'll leave it there.

2006-12-11 13:53:25 · answer #6 · answered by NHBaritone 7 · 2 0

A better analogy of DNA may help you to understand it better and perhaps help explain why it is not an exercise of faith. Think of genes as a recipe, which is a more accurate analogy. You are sending a recipe of cookies that you like to several friends, but you have to copy it from a book. Your type writer is not very good so not all the print is very clear. Errors occur no matter what you do. Some friends get perfect copies, they make the recipe, they like it, they type up more copies and send them on to more friends. Some friends misread copies make the cookies, and they are awful--the recipe never moves on. And there are some friends who misread it and love the results making slightly better cookies. They make many more copies and send those on. Now there are multiple sets of copies out there with similar information, but those recipes are diverging. The new recipes are copied in type writers which means they too will have good copies, bad copies, and copies that lead to better cookies. This is how genetics works. Something starting replicating itself ages ago. All it did was to replicate itself mindlessly like amino acids. Therefore the nature of its copies was for them to replicate themselves, but errors are unavoidable, that's the nature of uncertainty and entropy. Errors that aided replication (good new changes to the recipe) obviously made it forward in time, while those that didn't (the recipes that had bad results) stopped dead in their tracks. This means that replication will always put forward results that continue to improve it chances of making copies.
This is consistent with what we observe about all life now and throughout time. All life that we have record of comes from life that proceeds it; you, your parents, whales, ants, bacteria, and plants. All life transmits genetic information to another generation that generation does the same. This transmission is one of life's most consistent features. The other consistent feature is that none of the copies are exactly the same as the original. Errors are inevitable no matter what you do.
This does not answer the question of where the cookbook came from, but testing in abiogenesis shows that simple replicators like amino acids can come from non-living molecules that existed in Earth's earliest days. The Earth would have been covered with it massively increasing the probability of a rapid development in copies.
Read: _The Selfish Gene_

In science the origin of space and the origin of evolution are mutually exclusive. Evolution and abiogenesis occur in a world with set, known physical laws that limit the possible outcomes of certain interactions, while the beginning of the universe would be the birthplace of those physical laws. Science is a practice which uses the known physical laws to try to explain the unknown, therefore the origin of those laws is a boundary that is difficult to see past.

Read: _The Fabric of the Cosmos_ and/or _A Brief History of Time_

Proteins are the operative "message carriers" within cells.

2006-12-11 14:23:44 · answer #7 · answered by One & only bob 4 · 1 0

You are making an assumption here that is very common among creationists - that evolution and creationism are mutually exclusive.

Is it not possible that a higher power designed a system that allows for organisms to change and grow? Why is this such a difficult concept? If you and other Christians (assuming you are one, sorry if I'm wrong) would just release your ridiculous attachment to the Bible's fairy tales, you will recognize that both God and evolution dovetail quite nicely.

Incidentally, Paganism doesn't pretend to be science; it simply takes science and expands it into spirituality.

2006-12-11 13:52:54 · answer #8 · answered by Huddy 6 · 2 0

I am a Christian, please take college biology courses.

First, question 1 is irrelevant except in your mind.

The test for any theory is if it predicts outcomes before they happen, evolution does, Christianity does not.

Question 3 is not an evolution question it is an astronomy and physics question.

Question 4, same.

Question 5, same, but also it isn't mandatory that relationships between matter have a designer even if we believe they do, they can just exist.

DNA is remarkable as is RNA it will form without any help. It just exists.

2006-12-11 13:54:58 · answer #9 · answered by OPM 7 · 2 0

You should ask this on a science board. Despite the fact that I accept the theory of evolution, I am not a scientist. I also accept that chemotherapy helps kill cancer, but I don't really understand the mechanisms.

Also, you should understand that your questions about the beginnings of the universe, where matter comes from, and the laws of the universe have nothing whatsoever to do with evolution.

2006-12-11 13:49:03 · answer #10 · answered by N 6 · 4 0

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