2006-12-11 01:01:05 · 25 answers · asked by gwbruce_2000 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
abortion, gay weddings, womans rights, teaching of bullshit in schools, being tax free, influencing parliament e.g. turn around on faith schools admissions, etc. etc.
2006-12-11 01:08:05 · update #1
I know what you mean.
The issue that bugs me the most right now is how christian zealots are trying to infiltrate science classes with theology namely ID. ID is not a science and has been declared as such by US courts, science bodies and UK science bodies. This is because it doesnt meet basic scientific criteria. This isn't stopping creationists and christian zealots from trying to make it law to be taught and at the same time trying to stop evolution (which is a valid scientific theory) from being taught.
It makes my blood boil because they are using lies and obfuscation of science to do it. They seem to be forgetting the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness". So much for religious morality, they can't even stick to their own rules.
Finally, no we shouldn't tolerate christians trying enforce theology as laws, unless such laws are of benefit to society and the planet.
2006-12-11 04:59:38 · answer #1 · answered by gbiaki 2 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Well first i would be doubtful about using the term 'we secularists'. There are many secularists who agree with some Christian viewpoints so the issue is not always so clear as you imply.
But if you're talking about things like abortion laws etc, which the majority of 'secularists' disagree with in contrast to christian conservatives, well yes, if you disagree with someone trying to enforce a law you don't agree with then you should register your protest. after all, the law is supposed to be the voice of the people.
2006-12-11 02:36:50 · answer #2 · answered by Nikita21 4 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Abortion, killing a potential human being, it makes a lot of people very uncomfortable. If restricting the availability of abortion, encourages the use of contraceptives and condoms and discourages casual sex, then isn't it encouraging morality?
Women's rights are immoral? Sorry, couldn't resist the bad phrasing.
Most Christianity-derived cultures now support women's rights, other than in purely religious limitations (women cannot be ordained in the Roman Catholic church).
Teaching of bullshit in schools, depends on the definition of "bullshit", most of the world believes in some form of God, but other than multi-faith RE lessons, I don't think any particular faith should be encouraged in school.
2006-12-11 02:26:43 · answer #3 · answered by Nebulous 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I'm going to define immoral to mean what I think is socially wrong. The Marriage Amendment, Roe vs. Wade, tax exempt status, etc. I vote, I'm a democrat, and I'm Pagan, oh yeah and I'm a human being. I don't tolerate Christians trying to enforce laws, because the united States of America's system of checks and balances hasn't let in an amendment that so blatantly defies human rights to American Citizens. All the others you can protest, and write to your congress men, etc. Because that is what makes America great.
2006-12-11 01:17:34 · answer #4 · answered by anniwhoozle 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I am an atheist through and through, but I have a brain. I wouldn't use "immoral" to describe this. "Misguided" or wrong, or mistaken, ok. And as for the "turnaround on faith schools admissions", I'm glad it got turned around. I mean, what is the point of a faith school if you have to admit non-faith pupils? Crazy. I'm all for secularism, but I tolerate religion up to a point. and I love sanity.
2006-12-11 01:32:16 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Referral to the comment on abortion. The latest polls show 70% of the people are pro-choice. They feel the state has no right to delegate this to women. This does not say they do or do not believe in it-just the state should not control it. If it were outlawed, we would go back to abortions in back rooms, under unsafe conditions. Then, women would die!
Figures on the last election (mid-term) say that 70% of the Evangelical Christians voted Republican. Well, we have started our backlash against them. We voted alot of Bush's cronies out. I cannot wait to get rid of him. Too bad-------- two more years.
2006-12-11 01:58:04 · answer #6 · answered by Shossi 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
No. i don't declare to speak for different Christians right here in this count. i'm totally conscious that this may well be a mundane united states. all people who's attempting to deliver the religion into the state, whether claiming Christianity or not, is illegally abusing the 1st replace rights of others.
2016-12-13 06:43:19 · answer #7 · answered by vannatter 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well I live in a Christian country!
1) abortion is legal and has been for many years!
2) Civil partnerships!
3) Yes us women have been able to vote for quite a long time now! And it is illegal to discriminate in terms of pay and conditions.
4) Schools : what bullshit? My son goes to a church school and it follows the National Curriculum
etc etc
2006-12-11 02:09:23 · answer #8 · answered by Jude 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Yes. You can't expect everyone to agree in a democracy. The fact that many Christians might overturn democracy if they could, and replace it with a strict theocracy doesnt stop them being entitled to protection under freedom of speech.
You might as well ask should Christians 'tolerate' secularists endorsing laws they find immoral. People are entitled to their opinions.
2006-12-11 01:55:59 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
No tolerance be shown to laws made against : Morality; Faith; Commandments; Humanity; Other Religions. Democracy be not allowed to be superior to Canon.
2006-12-11 03:56:24 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋