When will Christians understand that we are not all Christian in this country.?

Question

Put yourselves in the shoes of your non-Christian peers (the peaceful ones). If your child went to school and was to either follow along with the daily Buddhist rituals or leave the room and go to the office while they prayed? Would you think it was OK? What’s the big deal right? What if your money said "In Allah We Trust"?
You wouldn't feel kind of...left out? What if your president and thousands of other politicians were Muslims and openly stated that their Muslim faith had a definite impact on the political choices they make. Would this be ok to you?

Why is it that you can't understand why we fight to uphold one of the founding principles of this country: the separation of church and state?

Nikki,
That is exactly my point!
Christians came here because they were opressed. Now they are attempting the same thing that made them flee their homeland. You don't see the irony?
Do your own research and read:
The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

(sigh) Taking away Christian rights????
You guys...
Nobody wants to ban religion. We just want to keep Christians from thinking they can impose their beliefs on the rest of us!
And most of our founding fathers WERE NOT CHRISTIAN.
You guys are impossible!

here2help,
Again, do your own research and read:
The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Answer 1

Some do understand this. The problem is that we have to deal with the"squeaky wheel syndrome"
What we unfortunately hear are the voices of the not so silent minority, you know, bigots, they "why can't THEY be like US folk.

We keep hearing about how things went down hill when they took prayer out of public school, when what is meant is, When Christian prayer was taken out of public schools.

The funny thing about that is this passage from the new testament, Matt 6: 5-6:
5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

For Christians the above should make it very obvious where praying is to take place. It's supposed to be a private conversation.

Answer 2

I think you answered your own questions. They do understand the Constitution and are exercising their freedoms of speach and religion. Are you saying no one should speak up if they don't like something? Or is it only okay if it is against something you agree should be spoken out against? You definitely don't understand the Constitution there. Second, you state they hate gays, which is most likely not true, even if they disagree with the behavior. Then, you say homosexuality is "possibly" genetic...exactly. There is no hard evidence that it is. There are some theories, but they swing both ways. I know people that have entered that lifestyle out of choice and others because they feel they have no choice, or were born that way. Either way, we have choice. Are you saying that man should submit to all their urges? Even if they are harmful to society? (Not saying homosexuality is, it's just for the point). Are you saying gay people are unable to control themselves? Also, being gay and black is nothing alike, so don't even go there. Lastly, the Constitution is about Liberty and Expression and the organization of government, etc. I think most intelligent Christians would agree government and religion should not mix, and most certainly the nation shouldn't be based on their beliefs, at least strictly speaking. No one can deny this country was founded and based on Judeo Christian principles, it is just part of the history. I don't see why people would have a problem with that. Our country is a Democratic Republic and we elect those who we want to lead us and vote our values. If you are upset that a majority of this country beleives marriage should be between a man and a women, or whatever, then vote...or go somewhere you would feel more at home. So, you are horribly misguided, Christians celebrate freedom as much as the next guy or gal and hate to see our country falling apart and judges interpreting the Constitution in their own liberal way in complete defiance to the law. Have a Merry Christmas.

Answer 3

I firmly believe in the separation of church and state, for exactly the reasons you stated: the founding principles of the country and the problems that crop up if they are not separate. The founding fathers of our country left England to escape religious persecution and came here to set up a country where we are supposed to be free to practice any religion we choose. Which technically we still can, but I fear it's sliding towards the direction where we cannot. I was raised Catholic, and I think some Christians need to be somewhat careful and really think about what's happening. If the United States becomes a 'Christian' country now, it could easily turn in the future and Christianity could become outlawed. Everyone needs to be more accepting and just be thankful that we are still allowed to believe what we choose. And keep it separate---so that we remain free.

Answer 4

Never will anyone be able to find the statement of 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution.

The actual amendment says that the state will not establish a church...these are totally different in meaning and context.

That means that the US Government cannot pass laws that will endorse or establish a state religion. That's all that is.

But let's face it, our founding forefathers were Christians, refugees from lands that actually had state sponsored religions that squashed any other opposing religious view in its path. So they setup a new government that wouldn't allow that to happen. Still, they were Christians. They were motivated by their faith, they passed laws influenced by their morality, they even said prayers before each and every session of Congress.

Our country goes by majority rule, doesn't it? It goes by tradition and moral values. All of that is Christian based, is it not? Even our laws favor Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Is this a bad thing?

If we lived in Egypt, as a Christian I couldn't publicly practice my faith. If we lived in China, my name would be on their list of political radicalism and social dissension. And if I lived in Iran, my internet would be unplugged for criticizing the government.

Perhaps you should be grateful that you are allowed a voice of dissension in this Christian dominated society. And if school prayer in our multicultural diversity is the worse thing you can come up with then I'd say you've got it easier than people in most of Africa, Asia, and part of Europe.

Perhaps you should be more tolerate of Christians...

Answer 5

I'm a Christian who believes in the separation of church and state. I don't want another religious persuasion to try and outlaw my religion; they have to be kept separate.

However, some cases are ridiculous. Like the kid who wanted to attend a Christian college and couldn't get a Pell grant. I think that's been resolved; I just remember how ludicrous it seemed at the time.

Must be separate, otherswise everyone's right to worship however they want is in jeopardy...including Christians.

Answer 6

I agree with you. A large segment is simply unable or unwilling to concede that it matters. They use loose historical beliefs to reinforce their own beliefs and dismiss any facts to the contrary. The bottom line is that they don't really care about the realities of the current country, they just want things their way. Logic and fair mindedness are not part of their equation, these types will never understand that.

Answer 7

Upholdin it is not a problem, I see the point. But when seperation of church and state interfers with my personal freedom to practice my religion, I have a problem with that, and I would no matter what religions ran the country, even if it was not my own.

Answer 8

The law says that Congress cannot make a national religion. It does say that no one should give up their rights because of their faith and this is what people are asking Christians to do. We may someday have money that says in Allah we trust and then you will know how Christians feel now.

Answer 9

Separation of church and state is a founding principle?? Better check the constitution on that one, cause it's not in there.

The phrase was written in a letter by the atheist/agnostic or whatever he called himself, Thomas Jefferson. The truth is Jefferson was one of the worst presidents in our history. His words are his own opinion, nothing more.

Answer 10

We fully understand that not all are Christians. But you can be, and its our job to get the message out. If you've heard the Gospel and reject it, you will not be held unaccountable. If Christians on the other-hand withhold, the message of truth, then they will be guilty of not following the Great Commission. We are ambassadors for Christ. Its our responsibility. Blame God, not the Christian, though thats like throwing gasoline on a fire.