Does anyone out there believe that KC registration is a guarantee of quality breeding?

Question

If so, do you want to buy my car? It's DVLA registered and so it must also be quality - right? If you want to buy it I'd recommend you bring a tow truck with you!

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Tedious Disclaimer - whilst my car genuinely IS a heap of scrap metal, and it genuinely IS DVLA registered - this is NOT AN ADVERT FOR MY CAR TO BE SOLD!!! Just thought I'd clarify that before I get reported for advertising!!

The point is - when will (some) people realise that KC registration of a dog is proof ONLY that the dog is of the breed described? NOT a guarantee of good breeding practice!

When will (some) people make proper checks on breeders before handing over money?

Thanks for the replies so far.

Wouldn't it solve a whole lot of problems if everyone made proper checks? The dodgy breeders would be out of business.

Liz - KC is the (British) Kennel Club:

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/

There's some good advice on selecting a breeder on this site too.

Fenlandfowl: Whilst my question was posted from England, I'm pretty sure there's dodgy breeders all over the world (including USA) - so the question is still relevant to Americans!

Answer 1

The sad part is, not everyone knows what to look for in a good quality breeder. Pretty much any dog that has a pedigree can be AKC registered and a lot of people, not knowing any different, go ooo and ahhh over a dog that has papers. Just 'cuz a dog has papers, doesnt mean that it is a good quaility specimen of it's breed.

One thing to look for when choosing a breeder, does the breeder have more than one breed of dog? If so, they are often BYB (backyard breeders) or puppy mills (often the same thing!).

Also, when do the dogs typically leave the mom? If it is before 8 weeks, stay away. Technically, they can leave at 6 weeks, but it is much more beneficial for them to stay till 8. The pups learn bite inhibition and general doggie manners from the mom.

What kind of food are the dogs/pups being fed? A lower quality food generally points to the direction of cutting costs to make money. Any GOOD breeder will most always cut a loss or if they are lucky, break even.

Are the parents health tested, show/work titled? Do they have a respectable pedigree? Most BYBs cannot answer yes to any of those questions. If a dog is not titled/tested, point blank, regardless of how "pretty" or "how nice" or "how good of mom she would be" THE DOG SHOULD NOT BE BRED. PERIOD.
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But I agree, a KC registaration doesnt mean that the dog is being bred properly. I wish they were more stringent on qualifications for registering dogs.

Answer 2

No - KC Registration is NOT a guarantee of good, healthy well bred pups.

The most despicable puppy breeders can easily register their unfortunate pups.

There are pitfalls when trying to buy a puppy and even when the breeder is excellent and has done everything right there is still no guarantee that your pup will be 100% fit or of sufficient quality to show.

You just do your best - make the proper checks and ask for references, recommendations, check out older dogs from the same line or same breeder and so on ......

Answer 3

Your very right. However you can often times determine quality by the KC with which the person is registered. CKC will register anything even a mutt where AKC has to be purebred. Even if the dogs are AKC registered that doesn't mean much. You still have to do your homework. If the person shows their dogs then you have a much higher quality range although there are still certain people that show who I would never buy from. You need to go to the persons house, see the conditions, mother and father (not always the father as semen can be shipped) and learn what they know about the breed.

Answer 4

I, for one, comprehend that purebred does not continuously advise nicely bred. the different element is that the KC, AKC, or which ever registry does no longer substitute the common until the determine club changes it. The registry in itself has no longer something to do with it. it could be very beneficial if all KC registered canines must be well-being examined previously breeding, yet WHO might enforce it? Any registration physique of purebred canines can't be the breeding police. particular, they'd refuse to sign in a clutter if the mother and dad weren't well-being examined yet they does no longer try this as they could be dropping money. additionally, you're purely speaking approximately purebred registered canines, no longer the breeding of mutts. The AKC has a *constrained registration* coverage in stress that's as much as the breeder to choose on how each guy or woman domestic dog is registered. If any canines on *constrained registration* is bred, any ensuing puppies would be unable to be registered. This replaced into an incredibly good concept, yet no longer completely efficient as individuals are nevertheless breeding purebred canines with constrained registration. The ensuing puppies ARE purebred, however the breeders gets much less money whilst advertising those puppies because of the fact of it. some human beings do no longer care in the event that they have any papers besides in the event that they simply opt for a puppy. So, i myself do no longer think of any Kennel club can do greater, as there is not any longer adequate human beings to maintain on with by using with this. As i've got reported many situations, any canines is in simple terms as good because it incredibly is breeder, papers or no longer. JMHO

Answer 5

Not only is a piece of paper not a guarantee of quality breeding, its not a guarentee that the stated parents are in fact the parents. Only a DNA test for every pup would help fix this one;
What you do is have 6 pups born and register 8, add 2 from another litter and rake it in even if you sell those 2 as 'pet quality to a good home only'. It actually boosts your reputation as an 'honest breeder'. Sheesh.

Answer 6

By KC, I assume you are meaning "Kennel Club" such as American (AKC) Canadian (CKC - althought there is a Continental Kennel Club here in the US that is crappy!!! so beware of the abbreviation CKC - it could be legitimate from Canada) etc.

And YES, I totally agree that just because (for instance) a dog has AKC papers, it doesn't mean it is worth breeding. I saw a lab once with a huge (6-8 inch) white splotch on it's chest - totally against breed standard but since it was papered the people were going to breed it. STUPID!!! The same is true in any species - especially horses. Just because it is a registered purebred doesn't mean it needs to propogate it's genetics!

I agree... do research on the breeder, get a vet reference (just remember that vets are bound like doctors to confidentiality laws and can't reveal any information to you unless the breeder ok's it... so listen to any references carefully and read between the lines if you have to... sometimes it's what people don't or can't say that is most important). Get reference from previous puppy buyers and find out how things went for them.

Answer 7

absolutly! everyone should do quality checks before buying anything especially if its a pet. We have 2 dogs both KC registered but our first was from a puppy farm (we only found out after buying her) and she cost more than the family bred dog!.We learned the hard way unfortunatly.But now we are a lot wiser!
Always check out the breed details before going to see the pup.. what are the breed faults? are they prone to hip problems for example. Do you need to see extra documentation to show that the dog comes from good stock (ie parents Hip score) and try to see at least one parent, the sire may not be available but the dam should be. Check out the pups responces to sound and vision, clap your hands behind its head - does it respond? If everyone does this before they part with their cash then there is less chance of buying an animal that may have problems. as i say, we learned the hard way and our first lab (from the puppy farm) ended up costing us £6k in vet bills before she was 2 years old...

Answer 8

there are plenty of thick people out there who buy a dog without doing their homework, research the breed, look into hereditary problems or bother searching for a reputable breeder. This is a "I want it now" society where people can go to the nearest dog dealers who advertise in newspapers all over the country with 5 or 6 different breeds available. They don't see the mother with the pups, they don't care. They see a cute puppy and hand over their credit card. They choose a dog on how it looks not whether it will suit their lifestyle. They buy a pup then don't bother training, or they go out to work so the dog spends 20 hours a day on it's own. To them it's all about their rights, and not responsibility. It's their right to go out and buy any dog they want whether or not they can provide the right home for a dog. After all, when it all turns out bad and they have an untrained adult dog who pees and craps all over the house and destroys the place while they are out at work all day, people like me will always be there to take the dogs off their hands and retrain it and rehome it. If people were made to pay £150 for a licence before they got a pup and were made to sit a test and go to compulsory training classes and were made to pay another £150 when they wanted to dump it into a rescue kennels, perhaps they would think twice about getting one. Dogs do not deserve some of the owners they get.

Once again the Americans are answering the UK questions and confusing themselves with our terms. When KC is referred to it means Kennel club. We have nothing to do with America, nor the AKC. Whatever terms you choose, us English answerers know clearly what KC means. Please stick to your own questions board because you know nothing about England and our way of life.

Answer 9

Do you mean AKC? I've never heard of KC, but if he dog is AKC registered, it doesn't guarantee the dog will be good quality . Pet stores sell AKC registered dogs, and sadly, when people by a dog from as pet store, the dog will usually not be healthy because it came from a puppy mill. Of course, pets stores will always tell you that the dog cam from a good back round and a reputable breeder just to sell the poor thing. Reputable breeders do not sell their dogs to pet stores.

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Thank you for tell ling me what KC registration stands for. No wonder I never heard of it. I'm in the U.S. .... lol.

Answer 10

Same goes for AKC registered puppies. This just means they are from a sire and dam that are listed in the American Kennel Club REGISTRY. Is NO guarantee of quality of the dog or pup.

Just because a pup is a "purebreed", doen't mean it's healthy or from a healthy sire or dam.

Research your breeders.... get (require) references and call every single one of them. If they are hesitant to provide vet and personal references, they don't have what you want!