Why would God condemn unbelievers, when he made them so?

Question

Ok guys as the title says, why would god send people to hell given the fact that in the bible he made them sinners according to the bible nothing happens outside of the fathers will, even Jesus said, “Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered" (Mt 10:29-30 NIV – best translation) According to this nothing happens outside of the fathers will, in fact Paul describes vessels of wrath in Romans 9:18-23 god making one of honor and one of dishonor. Said he will hardened whom he will. This brings up another thing, people get mad at atheist and all those who don’t believe in Jesus way but the truth is according to the bible at least that God hardened their hearts so Jesus way could not be understood or it was disclosed from them since it was his law that they be that way, since nothing happens outside of his will. For reference the scriptures say, “For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: ‘He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts” (John 12:37-40 NIV). So why would someone go to hell when by Gods will they were made to be unbelievers and believers of something else, that even gay people are made gay by Gods will since nothing happens out side of it?

Answer 1

You have some very good questions. Here are a few suppositions:

First, let's note that not all translations of Matthew 10:29-30 read as quoted. (And I'm not so sure I agree with you about the NIV being the best translation--sorry!) I checked out all of the English translations of the aforementioned verses on BibleGateway.com and found that only a few (the NIV, NKJV, and a few others) used spoke of the Father's "will". By far, most simply said, "... apart from the Father," and did not specify what part of the Father, i.e. His will. Several mentioned "knowledge", several others mentioned "consent" and/or "notice". Concerning your question, the meaning changes considerably between translations. If it really reads, "notice" then that answers your question; God is notified as He loses followers, but it is not necessarily His will. To find how this really reads, I would encourage you to do some more research. I think the word in question here is: "aneu" spelled "ανευ", although I'm not sure (Alas! I don't know ancient Greek).

Also consider that perhaps God has different paths for different people. I can't explain why, but maybe different people are to seek different paths to God. For me, religious pluralism makes more sense--I read the Bible and the Qur'an and it strengthens my faith--, yet others try to read both and it weakens their faith.

There are also very different unbelievers; some have a blatant disregard for certain morals and principles religions tend to advocate, whereas most still have a good conscience and know right from wrong--and of whom many still obey such.

Also, not everyone agrees that the Gospel of John (or even the whole of Pauline Christianity for that matter) is necessarily inspired. It very well could be, but I have my personal doubts about Paul and about several issues within the Gospel of John.

Hopefully that's enough to get you started, but unfortunately I don't have an answer. Please let us know if you do find something, though! I'm very curious.

Answer 2

1. THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.
2. It is not the will of the Father" that any should perish."
If God does not want any to perish, how could He possibly create people as sinners. Only the Muslim God Allah does that, "For I am the God of both good and Evil."
3. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved--means it is your choice--so what will you choose.
4. YOU ARE ALSO PULLING OUT OF CONTEXT--READ THE ENTIRE PASSAGES.
5. "Know ye not that When Christ died for you, it was while you were yet in your sins." Why would Christ die for you in that moment of life while you have your back turned to Him, if He arbitrarily just says this little piggy goes to heaven, this little piggy goes to hell. "For by grace ye are saved and not of works." Grace means undeserved favor, Meaning God does for you what you cannot do for yourself. It is a gift, you accept or reject. God has no attitude toward you, why do you want to pervert scripture so that you can have an attitude toward Him?
GOD'S WILL IS FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR FREE WILL, SO IF YOU WANT TO CHOOSE AGAINST HIM, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT, BUT OWN UP TO YOUR OWN CHOICE. YOU SEEM LIKE A THINKING PERSON, DONT BE CLOSED MINDED, WEIGH IT ALL BEFORE YOU DECIDE. YOU SEEM VERY INTELLIGENT, I BELIEVE YOU WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.

Answer 3

Shalom Almana,

How is that answering passerby's question? It's avoiding it.

Shalom Dr.J

“Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,” Romans 9:18-23

And say here it says that god create vessels of honor and dishonor, so how doesn't he create people in their sins? And don't Christians see it as a sin to not believe in Jesus way, so if god made them unbelievers by hardening their hearts then he made them sinners in this manner.

Peace

Aza

Answer 4

God did not make humans sinners. We were perfect until Adam and eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. God doesn't force anyone to believe in him, he gives them free will to believe whatever they want. That verse in Matthew is talking about how God takes care of us.

Answer 5

We actually are biological robots because humans don't learn on their own. Learning the rules of life from society is no different than programming a computer. Case in point, when average healthy babies are deprived of social interaction besides minimal life support, they grow up completely helpless and brain dead.

Answer 6

Dude. You pose a VERY good set of questions. I really want to know the answer to this also. I grew up in the church and I've always had concerns with some of the statements that Just don't match up. Please, someone has to answer this!

Answer 7

God never condemns anyone

Narrow-minded people use name of god to condemn people

Answer 8

If god was evil he would do such a thing for his own sense of twisted meglomanical satisfaction.

Answer 9

The fact that is He didn't make them so, but they choose by their self the bad way.

Answer 10

Why condemn rapists if God made them so?