Unbelievers, Is the whole "fairytale" thinking a little TOO convenient??

Question

Think about it.....it suits you perfectly because it means you are right and dont have to acknowledge G-d or live by the spirit.

Is it really possible EVERY word is false? Every eye witness was wrong, every thing was made up, and over thousands of years kept the big conspiracy a secret......just to get you to come to church and give a few bucks??? I though you were "logical".

Isnt that thinking a little too highly of your own self worth??

http://www.returntogod.com Check out "can we trust scripture" on the left hand column of choices.

Just stirring the pot, take no offense. I know we all have our roles to play. His will be done.

http://www.migdalohrcanada.com/migdalohr.html

Blessings,
David

***The chance of any one man fulfilling just eight prophecies has been calculated by Peter W. Stoner in Science Speaks at 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 -- yet 60 major Old Testament prophecies, having 270 ramifications were fulfilled by the life of Jesus.

AMEN

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Answer 1

sweet.

Answer 2

I don't think anyone has ever said that ALL stories are false. What is said is that some stories are blown out of proportion or that some stories have half truths to them.

People like you always love to talk about "the prophecies being fullfilled," yet you rarely talk about the prophecies and how they'd been fullfilled. Lets say a prophecy says "The messiah will be born to a virgin." So here comes Jesus, lives his life, is thought of as being the prophet, and they don't know how his birth exactly was. The apostoles then think "well, since we know that he is the messiah, he must have been born from a virgin; write down that he was born from a virgin." What about one where it says that they'd win a war? When they are writing about the war chapter (an entire book of the bible), they write "and it had been foretold by blah blah blah." Prophecies are therefore idiotic. Worse yet is the fact that many prophecies have NOT been fulfilled and some CANNOT be fulfilled. It said in some "this empire will rule when god comes back," so you bible "scholars" say that the empire means its decendants hundreds of generations later when the actual empire doesn't exist at all anymore.

Answer 3

I have a lot of respect for you, after reading your answers, so I'll make a deal with you: I'll look at your links, if you'll look at these...

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

If you do some research into the catholic church and its origins, you will see that they have done much to remain in positions of power. Politics play a HUGE role in the church from its earliest inception to modern day.

Look at prophecy from a logical standpoint. It is accepted that the bible (any part of it) wasn't written as an eyewitness account, rather it was written after the fact. It becomes rather easy to have correct prophecy, when you write it after certain events have occurred historically. Another thing to take into account is that most of the unfulfilled prophecy (in many religions, not just christianity) are written in such vague language that it must be interpreted after events, and with a bit of imagination can be read to mean things that were never meant. The same holds true for Nostradamus and his predictions. He wrote thousands of quatrains that mean nothing, and the one's that supposedly have come true are so vague that it takes a creative mind to match them to events that have passed.

The only religion to have a prophecy fulfilled (and can be verified that it is over 500 years old) is the Native American Medicine Wheel. They believed that a white buffalo would be born (something unheard of) that would change the colors of its fur, and eventually unite all the races of man. While the fur hasn't changed color (well, some darkening but that's a natural occurrence with age), there have been no less than 3 born in the last 15 years...half a prophecy is still better than none.

EDIT...since someone of faith feels that the question posed wasn't answered properly:

YES it is possible that every word is false...its unlikely, but possible. There are no eyewitnesses, with the books of the bible having been written years after the events held within (lifespans were shorter, making them hearsay, and NOT eyewitness accounts). The church had (until recently) made a very concerted effort to keep the "lost books of the bible" a secret...for various reasons (the gospel of Jacob goes so far as to say that god has no intentions of ANY soul burning in hell...he just said that to keep people in line and believing in him). The church itself is one large politically motivated group. No, its not convenient...it takes quite a bit of work to actually find the things that show this, and the links I gave you make a nice starting point. No, its not "thinking too highly of" my own self worth...I long ago accepted that on a cosmic scale, the sun would still rise if I was in the ground.

Answer 4

okay well, by this reasoning, you should automatically accept Islam, since the prophecies found in the Qur'an and the prophecies in the Sunnah of Muhammad (peace be upon him) also came true and continue to come true.
His miracles were also witnessed by thousands of people, muslims AND non-muslims.
Secondly, as a muslim, I can not disbelieve in in every single verse found in the Bible. It is a FACT that it HAS been altered and even your high priests and scholars will and DO admit to this(note they say that this however doesn't change the doctrine???). For this reason I do not take the Bible as my primary evidence, and even if it hasn't been altered, Qur'an has abrogated all of the previous books since the Law was completed and perfected with this last revelation, the Qur'an.
However I understand you do not believe in this nor are you curious to know, if only for the sake of information, so I won't go into the very details. As far as the biblical prophecies, have you ever heard of " vaticinium ex eventu" (prophecy after the event)?
Don't take my word for it, read from your early christian priests and scholars who confirmed it.

Answer 5

Why would I need to acknowledge your God if he doesn't exist, or accept a spirit that isn't there? That's like saying I'm stupid for not believing in pixies or magical watch elves that make my watch work for me. Sure, I may put batteries in, but he only stops working after a time so that he can see if I'm a true believer, to see if I'm dumb enough to think its the batteries wearing out. I may put batteries in, but I safely know he's making it work, not the batteries. You can't see him when you look inside because he does not feel he has to prove himself to you. The fact that the watch is moving is proof enough. I mean, I don't understand how a watch works, personally, so who am I to disagree with those who believe in watch elves? They're too complex to understand, anyway, and an elf makes things so much simpler!

Just because the bible says there are eyewitnesses, etc. does not mean there really were, nor does it mean any of those people really existed. They could have been based off of real people, but the bible is just mostly nice stories that show people the basic ways to live a moral life in a way they could understand. It also kept the little people controlled, so that was good for the ruling class, whether they realized it or not.

It's more illogical, in my opinion, to believe a book that had its selections edited constantly over the past 2007+ years so that its nothing like the original text. Especially when around 600AD the Catholic church decided what would and wouldn't go into the bible, and also edited it as well to their liking. I would rather base my beliefs off of fact and intelligent scientific theory, rather than what zealots believe.

Answer 6

Can you stop with the "unbelievers don't believe in God because they don't want to acknowledge him" thing? They don't think he exists, period. It has nothing to do with "not wanting to submit" or "not being willing to obey" or "not wanting to live life by any rules". Come on, that's ridiculous.

No, I don't think every single word is false. But I think a great deal of them are. You have to admit, there are some very, very outrageous claims in the Bible (the supernatural stuff mostly), so how can you blame us for being skeptical? If science comes out tomorrow and says that scientists have determined it was indeed possible in Biblical times to live to be 800 years old, or that the human race most likely started out with two people, or that some archaelogical discovery proved without a doubt that someone put two of every animal on an ark, then I'll happily accept it. But as far as I'm concerned, no proof like that has ever been offered; it's always "just have faith" or "believe it because the Bible says so". It's like that famous quote says: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

Answer 7

I don't think every word is false, but it was quite embellished and I definitely believe Paul twisted Jesus' words around to fit his own theology.

And this stuff about odds on prophecy is nonsense. Anyone can write something that is unverifiable except in their own work (i.e., the Gospels) and make it sound like it was some "fulfilled prophecy" of earlier times. None of the prophecies of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus.

I'll stick with Deism, thank you.

Answer 8

There's a large group of people that believe that the US government actually caused 9/11. It must be true then.

Of course, the # of Christian kooks outnumber the 9/11 conspiracy kooks but I hope you get the point.

And the chance that any of those "prophecies" happening are probably as high as Santa coming down my chimney with my teeth the Tooth Fairy gave him along with all the eggs I never found from the Easter Bunny.

Answer 9

isn't it a little too convenient to point to a 2000 year old book written by mankind during a time when we still believed in monsters every time you have a question and say it always has the truth?

Rather than actually question the validity of what you see, you just go to this ancient book.

No, I don't think it's convenient to say its a fairy tale. There's nothing convenient about it. You see, Atheists don't desperately cleave to answers when they have none. They admit it when they don't know and then they actually try to find the answer. Something the religious aren't even willing to consider because "the bible already has all the answers".

Sad really.

Answer 10

And Harry Potter fufilled all the propheses of book 1 in book 7! Look if you write the propheses and then fufill them a chapter later, there's no reason to take you seriously or think that there might be something real in there.

Answer 11

David im sorry if i hurt your feelings!! "Every eye witness was wrong" Cops know that testimony can be wrong that's why they get physical evidence. How can i believe in a book which was writen in a time where people accepted the world as flat.