George W Bush is BullSh!t??!?

Question

I'm sick and tired of this patriotic, nationalistic and fascist crap. I stood through a memorial service today for a young Marine that was killed in Iraq back in April. During this memorial a number of people spoke about the guy and about his sacrifice for the country. How do you justify 'sacrificing' your life for a war which is not only illegal, but is being prosecuted to the extent where the only thing keeping us there is one man's power, and his ego. A recent Marine Corps intelligence report that was leaked said that the war in the al-Anbar province is unwinnable. It said that there was nothing we could do to win the hearts and minds, or the military operations in that area. So I wonder, why are we still there? Democracy is not forced upon people at gunpoint. It's the result of forward thinking individuals who take the initiative and risks to give their fellow countrymen a better way of life.

When I joined I took an oath. In that oath I swore to protect the Constitution of the United States. I didn't swear to build democracies in countries on the other side of the world under the guise of "national security." I didn't join the military to be part of an Orwellian ("1984") war machine that is in an obligatory war against whoever the state deems the enemy to be so that the populace can be controlled and riled up in a pro-nationalistic frenzy to support any new and oppressive law that will be the key to destroying the enemy. Example given – the Patriot Act. So aptly named, and totally against all that the constitution stands for. President Bush used the reactionary nature of our society to bring our country together and to infuse into the national psyche a need to give up their little-used rights in the hope to make our nation a little safer. The same scare tactics he used to win elections. He drones on and on about how America and the world would be a less safe place if we weren't killing Iraqis, and that we'd have to fight the terrorists at home if we weren't abroad. In our modern day emotive society this strategy (or strategery?) works, or had worked, up until last month's elections.

My point in this; to show that America was never nationalistic. If anything they were Statalistic (giving their allegiance to the state of their residence). This is shown in the fact that the founders created states with fully capable and independent governments and not provinces that were just a division of the federal government. These men believed that America was a place where imperialistic values would be non-existent. Where the people trying to make their lives better by working hard, thinking, inventing and using the free market would tie up so much of normal life that imperialistic colonization and the fighting of wars thousands of miles away for interests that are not our own would be avoided. They believed this expansion of power could be left to the European nations, the England, France and Spain of their time. However this recent, and current influx of nationalistic feeling has created an environment where giving up your rights, going to a foreign country to fight a people who did not ask for us to be there, nor did their leader do anything to warrant us being there, and dying would be considered honorable and heroic. I don't believe it anymore. I don't believe it's right for any American to go along with it anymore. Yes I know that we in the military are bound by the UCMJ and somehow don't fall under the Constitution (the very thing we're suppose to be defending) but sooner or later there is a decision that every American soldier, marine, airmen and seamen makes to allow themselves to be sent to a war that is against every fiber this country was founded on. I know that when April rolls around I will be thinking long and hard on that decision. Even though we in the military are just doing as we're told we still have the moral and ethical obligation to choose to do as we're told, or to say, "No, that isn't right." I believe that if more troopers like me and the professional military, the officers and commanders, start standing up and saying that they won't let themselves or their troops go to this illegal war people will start standing up and realizing what the heck is going on over there.

The sad fact of the matter is that we are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. We are fighting the Iraqi people who feel like a conquered and occupied people. Personally I have a hard time believing that if I was an Iraqi that I wouldn't be doing everything in my power to kill and maim as many Americans as possible. I know that the vast majority of Americans would not be happy with the Canadian government, or any other foreign government, liberating us from the clutches of George W. Bush, even though a large number of us would like that, and forcing us to accept their system of government. Would not millions of Americans rise up and fight back? Would you not rise up to protect and defend your house and your neighborhood if someone invaded your country? But we send thousands of troops to a foreign country to do just that. How is it moral to fight a people who are just trying to defend their homes and families? I think next time I go to Iraq perhaps I should wear a bright red coat and carry a Brown Bess instead of my digitalized utilities and M16.

Notice I never once used the word homeland in any of this. I have a secondary point I want to bring up now. Never once was the term homeland ever used to describe the country of America until Mr. Bush began the department of homeland security after the 9/11 attacks. Taking a 20th century history class will teach us that the most notable countries in the last century that referred to their country in this way were Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Hitler used the term fatherland to drum up support, nationalistic support, for his growing war machine. He used the nationalism he created in the minds of the Germans to justify the sacrifice of their livelihood to build the war machine to get back their power from the oppressive restrictions the English and French had put on them at Versailles. This is the same feeling that has been virulently infecting the American psyche in the last hundred years. This is the same feeling that consoles a mother after her son is killed in an attempt to prosecute an aggressor's war 10,000 miles away. It's also known as Patriotism these days, but I say, "No more." No more nationalistic inanity, no more passing it off as patriotism. Patriotism is learning, and educating oneself to understand what their country really stands for.

I heard a lot during the memorial service about how the dead Marine did so much good for others and how his helping others was like a little microcosm of America helping because we have the power to do so. Well if we have the power to help people why aren't we helping in Darfur where hundreds of thousands of people have died in the last 10 years. Saddam was convicted and sentenced to death for killing 143 Shiites who conspired to assassinate him. (I know all you "patriotic" Americans would be calling for the heads of anyone who conspired to assassinate supreme leader Bush). And yet we spend upwards of 1 trillion dollars and nearing 3,000 lives to help these Iraqis when they don't even want us there.

Not to mention we don't have the legal justification to be there. I guess we should wait around for the omnipotent W Bush to decide who we should use our superpowerdom to help next. It's about time to throw him and the rest of the fascists out. Moreover it's about time to start educating Americans about their past and history, and letting them know that imperialistic leaders are not what the founders of this great country wanted.

December 8, 2006

Answer 1

I couldn't agree more.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

Answer 2

"When I joined I took an oath. In that oath I swore to protect the Constitution of the United States"

You also swore to obey lawful orders of the President of the United States.

"My point in this; to show that America was never nationalistic."
ever heard of Manifest Destiny?

"This is shown in the fact that the founders created states with fully capable and independent governments and not provinces that were just a division of the federal government."

This issue was repudiated in April 1865 when Lee surrendered at Appomattox, VA.

"Never once was the term homeland ever used to describe the country of America until Mr. Bush began the department of homeland security after the 9/11 attacks. Taking a 20th century history class will teach us that the most notable countries in the last century that referred to their country in this way were Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. "

Ever heard of the "Alienation and Sedition act" of 1798?

The United States always was a Nationalist state. It was reinforced by the Civil War.

George W. Bush was given a mandate by the American people first by his election then reelection. Now that it is not been a clean victory everybody wants to throw the war away and go home. The villain if there is one is the American people they gave George Bush mandate to invade Iraq.

There was never a "good Ole" days in the USA. We have the same nationalism, desire for war, and greed like any other nation in history. You're only now just noticing.

Answer 3

In the question you asked 2 months ago about your baby teeth you said your were 16 y/o. Assuming you turned 17 between now and then you could have possibly enlisted in the military providing you had written permission from your mommy and/or daddy....Son, basic training is 9 weeks long and a soldier must still attend AIT for specific MOS training. Until AIT is done you are not MOSQ's (qualified in your MOS) and therefore non-deployable...so how could you possibly know who the military is fighting over in Iraq...or anywhere for that matter....if you are terribly concerned that the US is "[building] democracies in countries on the other side of the world under the guise of "national security" why did you even enlist? It's not like this is something new to you...the military has been in Iraq since 2002....

You talk about the meaning of patriotism and the feelings of a mother who has lost her son in an, as you put it, "illegal war." But you never onced talked about capitalism...why do I bring that up? I just noticed how many times you posted questions inquiring on the salaries of employment with Blackwater and other civillian security contractors the US employs overseas....looking for a job I take it? I'm betting you got the idea of making a lot of money teaching countries how to "fight for themselves" from an episode of "The Unit" if you really insist on continuing to watch the show just remember that the show is FICTION....life is not how you see it on TV....

As I see it, you either lied about your age for this question or the previous ones where you stated you were 16 y/o....either way your credibility has been ruined....as for what you have said in this post....I'm sure your history teacher is very proud that you can quote him verbatim.....nice to see you have been watching CNN, CNBC, and the like, instead of sitting in front of a playstation like other 16 year olds. How dare you pose as a military servicemember to rant about something you know nothing about.

Answer 4

The war in Iraq was not illegal. There are four conditions under which a nation sacrifices its sovereignty:

1. Continued aggression against neighboring states or occupations of their territories.
2. Violating the terms of the non-proliferation treaty.
3. Harboring known gangsters and internationally wanted terrorists.
4. Genocide.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq met all four of these conditions. Furthermore, he signed a cease fire in 1991, and violated in constantly, failed to come into compliance with seventeen U.N. Security Council Resolutions, and would not comply with the weapon inspectors. The war was legal by national and international law. There was never a security council resolution forbidding the use of force in Iraq, on the contrary resolution 1441 made it clear that Saddam faced war if he did not comply.

Your argument is really against America's involvement with the international community.

Answer 5

I can see why you are frustrated,believe me alot of Americans are tired of the way things are being handled in our government right now, the republicans were out voted by democrats,not because they nessicerily want democrats to win but because they are tired of the way the politicians are handleing things.Something has got to change,I agree with you,I am just a simple housewife trying to raise my family,like most honest hard working Americans,we are not really sure what we can do to make a difference.I wonder if sending a copy to this forum to congress men and women would help?Thank you for your point of view and believe me you are not alone,God Bless

Answer 6

Firstly - The war is Iraq is not illegal.
Second - Their lives are not being wasted. That's like saying those who fought to liberate another country (Vietnam) also wasted their lives. They are fighting for others freedom, being completely inselfish.

I'm sorry you see it this war. In war, people die. That's what war is and it is sometimes unavoidable. But the problem is, we can't just withdrawal from Iraq, not even at a slow rate. We have to remain there to keep others from gaining another power in the region.

Bush is not an idiot. If he was, he would have pulled everyone out to make people happy and then 2 years from now the U.S. or Israel will take a major blow. These people hate us, israel, christianity, etc. If we leave Iraq, none of this will change.

We must stay the course because it is the only option we have. I am thinking about joining the army just to aide in this war effort. Always support your troops.

Answer 7

Wow what a waste of time do you really expect a answer to a rambling question like that.


But I do have the best answer.

No GW is not bullshi*

I have the proof too
Nothing that has ever come out of a bull was ever able to run for president, as the requirments are citizan of the US, and BS is not human so not able to run for prez.

Answer 8

I'm sorry you feel that way, but remember that you're from a country that allows you to voice your opinion without the threat of persecution.

Happy Holidays and Stay Safe!

Answer 9

OK you are right. All you really have to say is that Bush is one of the most evil men in history. This coming from someone who met Charles Manson and Jim Jones. I hate to say the war is legal. Not smart but legal. It is strange they have not found one piece of evidence that Iraq ever gave anything to AL-quad or had WMD for over 10 years if ever. We have been and still are being lied to to keep it going. You would think lossing power Bush would get the idea.

Answer 10

Well said. The watching world has seen the U.S. move from patriotism to nationalism, and the subsequent decline in America's integrity. The war in Iraq WAS an illegal war; it was done without the U.N.'s approval, and Kofi Annan (the secretary-general of the U.N.) called it an illegal invasion. This is general knowledge.

Answer 11

Smile is a good thing to do. Makes life Look alot better.