Who was given authority to forgive or retain the sins of people. Who was Jesus giving this authority to?

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This question was just withdrawn by another asker it was so good I thought I'd post it again.

Asker:Some people don't understand what this Bible verse is saying. It isn't about forgiving someone who sins against me, it is about having authority to forgive someone for any and all sins they have committed against anyone including sins against God.

21: Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you."
22: And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
23: If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
-John, chapter 20

PastorBilly says: the only persons present in the shut room were the disciples, the Lord's first priests of the new covenant. Contrary to the false assumptions everyone is not given this gift of authority. Sometimes other verses are used as proof-text such as "forgive us our trespasses as we for those who trespass against us" (original version forgive us our debts....) .

the difference however with John 20 :23 is the ability to also retain sins. For someone to retain an others sins one would have to know of them hence 'confession'. All forgiveness of sins regardless is done in the power of God.
John 20:20-23 is a clearly indication that d'em Catholics got it right again. Hopefully more 'bible believers' will find this gem of a verse (instead of glossing it over) and really apply some faith and conversion.

Gary don't argue with me, argue with the Word. You entirely avoided the text so much for being a 'bible believer' Gary

Carl good point but that only further supports the authority of Jesus to inturn give authority to forgive to his priests the apostles. There is an order of authority here from Father to Son to disciples in the shut room. Read text of John 20 Carl. Peace

Answer 1

clergymen

Answer 2

precisely, because of fact Jesus isn't God. Its truly somewhat straightforward, its no longer infintely puzzling and 'mysterious' because of fact the Trinity coaching which suggests that a million+a million+a million=a million, yet on the comparable time they're seperate, yet on the comparable time equivalent, even although the daddy has extra authority.....? uh, ok. between the main compelling scriptures is at Matthew 24:36 the place Jesus says evidently that know one knows 'that day' no longer the angels or himself, in straightforward terms the daddy. How sparkling is that? How can Jesus be equl to God, yet no longer know the flaws that God knows? And its additionally interesting that Jesus in order that got here approximately to ignore related to the Holy Spirit.......in basic terms like whilst that's no longer stated at John 17:3. If i replaced into the Holy Spirit God, i could be extremely indignant to be disregarded lots of circumstances, in basic terms think of Jesus mentions himself - God the Son (in accordance to the Trinity), he mentions God the daddy, he even mentions the Angels who're no longer Gods, yet then in basic terms forgets to point God the Holy Spirit??!! How in all probability is that to take place for a guy with proper memory?! as quickly as back the Bible is obvious and it cuts precise via the pagan observed Trinity of fake faith. the reality WILL set you unfastened.

Answer 3

You have this turned around a little. Jesus was not giving authority to forgive sins. HE was the one who was given the authority to pardon sins. That's what it says at Matt. 28:18. It says: "All authority has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." This shows that someone greater than Jesus had to give him something that he did not already possess. The one who gave Jesus authority was his God and Father, Jehovah.

Answer 4

PastorBilly needs to go to Bible college. The Lord did not give the disciples authority to forgive sins. He gave them the privilege of assuring any sinner that he shall be freely and fully forgiven on the basis of God's promise, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." We have been given the same privilege.

Answer 5

So are you trying to prove that we cannot get forgiveness by going to God the Father in the name of Jesus without a priest....
Ugh! What heresy!

Jesus said:
"Whatsoever You ask the father in my name he will do it".

Remeber the pharisee and the humble servant who came to God in prayer saying: " God be merciful to me a sinner"....Jesus said "he went away JUSTIFIED".

Be careful what system of belief you adopt that may be contrary to scripture simply because the Cath. Church adopted it.

Answer 6

Jesus forgives sin. We aren't to hold aught against anybody.

Answer 7

Sura - 40 Forgiver (Ghafer)
Order Of Revelation 60, Verses: 85


[40:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[40:1] H. M.*

[40:2] This revelation of the scripture is from GOD, the Almighty, the Omniscient.

[40:3] Forgiver of sins, acceptor of repentance, strict in enforcing retribution, and possessor of all power. There is no other god beside Him. To Him is the ultimate destiny.

[40:4] None argues against GOD's revelations except those who disbelieve. Do not be impressed by their apparent success.

[40:5] Disbelieving before them were the people of Noah, and many other opponents after them. Every community persecuted their messenger to neutralize him. And they argued with falsehood, to defeat the truth. Consequently, I punished them; how terrible was My retribution!

[40:6] Thus, the judgment of your Lord is already stamped upon those who disbelieve, that they are the dwellers of Hell.

Angels Pray for the Believers

[40:7] Those who serve the throne and all those around it glorify and praise their Lord, and believe in Him. And they ask forgiveness for those who believe: "Our Lord, Your mercy and Your knowledge encompass all things. Forgive those who repent and follow Your path, and spare them the retribution of Hell.


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*40:1 The initials ``Ha Mim'' occur in Suras 40-46. The total frequency of occurrence of the letters ``Ha'' and ``Mim'' in the seven suras is 2147, or 19x113 (Appendix 1).
[40:8] "Our Lord, and admit them into the gardens of Eden that You promised for them and for the righteous among their parents, spouses, and children. You are the Almighty, Most Wise.

[40:9] "And protect them from falling in sin. Whomever You protect from falling in sin, on that day, has attained mercy from You. This is the greatest triumph."

God ALONE: The Disbelievers Confess

[40:10] Those who disbelieve will be told, "GOD's abhorrence towards you is even worse than your own abhorrence towards yourselves. For you were invited to believe, but you chose to disbelieve."

Answer 8

christians, make up your minds !
didn't this JC guy, died for our sins ?
then why do we have to be forgiven for them ?

helloooooooo, to much contradiction ........!