well then...?

Question

if its ok to call out and judge pedophiles as pedophiles and serial killers as serial killers, also label kleptos, but try to aid them.

even better yet it is not considering judging a parent if you advise them to take there kid a way from a panda, how is it then, that you can claim that a christian, warning a gay person or an athiests punishment is hell, according to its doctrine, as judgemental?

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RAA, please explain further

BigPappa

even if it is a warning of the potential siverity of this "crime against God"

Hello Moto?

so are you telling me there s no such thing as the bible?

BlueOctag...

and what If I was to use the annalogy that a single person was standing in front of a cage, would I still have the "right" to warn them against it, or would I know be judgeing them.

Answer 1

Are there scriptures that definitely show that some will never be saved?

2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” (Italics added.)

Rev. 21:8, RS: “As for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matt. 7:13, 14, RS: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”

Once a person is saved, is he always saved?

Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)

Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)

Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)

Heb. 10:26, 27, RS: “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.” (Thus the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. See also Hebrews 6:4-6, where it is shown that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.)

Is anything more than faith needed in order to gain salvation?

Eph. 2:8, 9, RS: “By grace [“undeserved kindness,” NW] you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast.” (The entire provision for salvation is an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. There is no way that a descendant of Adam can gain salvation on his own, no matter how noble his works are. Salvation is a gift from God given to those who put faith in the sin-atoning value of the sacrifice of his Son.)

Heb. 5:9, RS: “He [Jesus] became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.” (Italics added.) (Does this conflict with the statement that Christians are “saved through faith”? Not at all. Obedience simply demonstrates that their faith is genuine.)

Jas. 2:14, 26, RS: “What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.” (A person does not earn salvation by his works. But anyone who has genuine faith will have works to go with it—works of obedience to the commands of God and Christ, works that demonstrate his faith and love. Without such works, his faith is dead.)

Acts 16:30, 31, RS: “‘Men, what must I do to be saved?’ And they [Paul and Silas] said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.’” (If that man and his household truly believed, would they not act in harmony with their belief? Certainly.)

Answer 2

There is a difference between advising someone and telling them in no uncertain terms that they are going to hell because they don't believe what you do. I'm guessing you didn't look up judgment in the dictionary. It's all in how it's said. If you're getting at that it's OK for Christians to tell people how to run their lives, it's not. It's okay to have an opinion on something, but don't push it down someone else's throat. Just because you believe it, does not make it right. Warn away, just watch how you word it.
As for judging pedophiles and the like, they broke the law. That is what they are judged on, not they themselves.

Answer 3

It is NOT okay to judge anyone, at least not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I'm sort of assuming that's who you're trying to emulate, but feel free to correct me if I'm way off base on that.
You are allowed to pass moral judgement IF and ONLY IF you are without sin. Otherwise, leave it to your Maker.

You are allowed to practice earthly justice. If someone's behavior is unacceptable in your society, like because they are killing people or molesting children, then you must remove them from your society. But that does not require passing judgement on them.

Similarly, I do not feel it would be a transgression to tell you that you are a complete idiot, and I find it hard to believe that you can tie your shoes unassisted, considering some of the positions you have espoused. Now, if I were to say that you are UNWORTHY of membership in Homo sapiens, denoting as it does a type of wisdom not found in lower animals or yourself, that would be passing judgement. So I'm not going to do that. Instead I am merely pointing out that your logic is crap and you yourself are a moron. You see the difference?

Answer 4

If that gay person or Atheist lives in America, it's pretty safe to say that they've heard your "warning" about 500 times before.

And I think it's judgmental because according to your doctrine, you're supposed to worry about your own soul before anyone else.

Answer 5

I think the difference is this: pedophiles, murderers, thieves, and even parents putting their children into harm's way have one thing in common, and that is that they are harming other people. We have the right as a society, and I don't think it is judgmental, to protect ourselves and especially our children from harm. However, homosexuals and atheists are harming no one other than--arguably, of course--themselves. It is, therefore, illogical to assume that their behavior is any of your business, so it IS judgmental to call them out on it. This is especially true if you are going to threaten them (or warn them) with eternal punishment.
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I fail to see how standing in front of a cage is something that needs warning. I'd personally think you'd need to mind your own business. Most adults in our society can read, and most are capable of knowing when they're in danger...so if they choose to be there, let'em be.

Answer 6

You must teach and show them why their actions are wrong, and do, as a society, what must be done to prevent them from continuing to sin.

You can tell them that the impenitent have cut themselves off from Heaven by their proud profound denial of God's love, but you cannot say "You will go to Hell."

What must be understood is that any sin you committed killed Jesus. Just as dead as anything they have done or will do. You failed your King, because you could not protect his Sacred Heart from being pierced, how then, can you tell them that they are going to Hell?

You can say as is in the Scripture that: No liars, or fornicators, or thieves will be granted the Kingdom of Heaven.

You can tell them to "put away these things of man."

But, remember, dead is dead.

Tell them to ask God for forgiveness and make a mends, and guide them to walk in the way of Jesus.

Amen.

Answer 7

because the bible isnt real.

Answer 8

maybe if you didnt follow a book written 6000 years ago you could apply some logic to this issue

Answer 9

NO

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