Where do atheists get these "facts"?

Question

such as the bible being written 2000 years after jesus? or there being no counter evidence to evolution? how many "facts" are actually BS that atheists use?
to argue this point try backing up your rants with actual evidence instead of just going on about nothing. Saying you have evidence but never actually showing it means you do not have evidence.
sources people please provide actual sources (common sense, life experience, or something similar are not good sources)

i think its funny that people assume im christian or that i believe in God at all. Are most atheists really so ignorant that they have to distract people from the point so they can "prove" themselves right?

hint i never said what my religion is at all nor does it even matter. grow some balls and actually answer the question instead of changing the subject

come on people ad hominem and ignoratio elenchi arguments are the best you can do? i thought atheism was based on logic and science?

Answer 1

ermm i am not atheist nor am i christian
but i dont remember once seeing an atheist suggest the bible was written 2000 years after Jesus
what they usually say is that it was put together years later at the council of Nicaea
which is correct

Answer 2

Alright, first off, I have never met anyone who claimed that the bible was written 2000 years after Jesus. That means it would be written some time around 2000AD.

Secondly, there is no counter evidence to evolution. There are gaps in our knowledge of evolution, but that is far different than counter evidence. If there were counter evidence, then it would have been commented on by biologists in a proper forum by now. More importantly, one can be an atheist and not believe in evolution, so that's an unfair generalization.

I don't even know what the other "facts" you refer to are and I'm not going to guess. As far as sources go, what do you want sources on? Evolution? If you want that, go to a library. Pick up The Ancestor's Tale by Richard Dawkins or Evolution: Triumph of an Idea by Carl Zimmer. They're both interesting texts on evolution that are geared at those who have no technical training, such as myself.

As far as you writing that you can't believe people would assume you're a Christian, I think it's a fair guess for people to make. You mention Jesus, and attack evolution and atheism. Maybe you aren't a Christian, but a Muslim (I don't know what you think of Jesus, just that you mention him). Or possibly a Mormon. Regardless, it's a fair guess to make.

Answer 3

OK. Let's start with clearing up the BS. Tell me what atheist said the bible was written 2000 years after Jesus. If there is such a person, I will personally, as an principled atheist, make sure he/she understands the error of his/her ways. After that we can go on to see if you're really interested in evidence or whether you're just on an anti-science creationist rant.

But like I said, FIRST let me know who this miscreant atheist is. (I am accessible by e-mail also.) I need some evidence that this actually happened. Please provide actual sources. I'll be waiting.

Oh .. and I hope you don't mean that troll who said the bible was "written by Moses 2000 years after Jesus." Get serious.

Answer 4

Give me a break. An atheist claiming claiming the bible was written 2000 years after Jesus doesn't strike you as fishy? (Maybe not, I do sense some gullibility here.)

This is an old scam on here where some "believer" tries to create a straw-man for people like you to knock down with "righteous indignation." (Or they use another name to knock down their own straw-man). The problem is that it's way too stupid - especially for an atheist. The chances of an atheist being that ignorant are the same as you being in biological research.

UPDATE: The originator of the bible idiocy just happens to have started on here yesterday ... heh heh ...and of course cannot be reached by e-mail. How convenient.
And stop the pretense at objectivity. Here's a quote from you.
"Without a higher power morality does not exist. Assuming God exists if he says murdering puppies and raping women is righteous then it is in fact righteous."
Which is a piece of shallow logic and shallower theology.

Answer 5

Nobody has ever claimed that the Bible was written 2000 years after Jesus because 2000 years after Jesus was, um, six years ago. And of course there has been counter evidence presented to evolution: creationists like Kent Ovind and M.J. Behe have made a living off of trying to convince people that Intelligent Design has scientific substance. Unfortunately for them, every single piece of evidence brought forwards has been roundly debunked. Evolution stands so far absolutely accurate: it has accurately predicted fossils discovered after the theory was developed, it predicted discoveries made by molecular biology not conceivable in the era when evolutionary theory was first articulated, and provides definite, valuable insight into medical science.

For example, you can see a text copy of the 2005 trial in Dover, PY, in which Intelligent Design was rejected from the public schools. It contains an extremely thorough examination of the claims of Intelligent Design and roundly debunks them. I'm sure that people like you will refer to the presiding judge as an "activist judge," completely ignoring the fact that the judge in question is a devout Christian, has an extremely conservative record, and was appointed by Rick Santorum. And yet somehow, the evidence against Intelligent Design an in favor of evolution was so strong that even someone of his traditionalist leanings simply had to reject creationism.

I note with a certain amount of irony that you cite no sources for your claims after railing against some imaginary atheists who don't cite sources. Fore example, I would like you to cite anything written, ever, where someone claims that the Bible was written 2000 years after Jesus. The consensus truth among Biblical historians is that the Gospels, which purpote to tell truth about Jesus' life, were mostly written a few decades after the crucifixion and were not written by anyone who knew Jesus personally (the gospel of Matthew, for example, was not written by Matthew). The synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are probably from between 60 and 100 AD, and John is probably from around 120 AD. That is the historical, objective truth agreed on by both Christians and non-Christians alike.

Answer 6

That poor straw man didn't stand a chance.

The Bible being written 2000 years after Jesus? So, atheists claim that the Bible is only 6 years old? Gee, no wonder you were able to boldly shoot down that argument.

No serious atheist would ever make such a claim. The fact that you are willing to testify that atheists believe this is testament that you don't really give a fig about the Ten Commandments. Or at least the annoying one that should prevent you from bearing false witness.

And there isn't concrete counter evidence to evolution, especially since evolution does happen and is observable. That's like claiming that there is no counter evidence to the sky being blue. When you can look up and see the sky is blue, then there is no counter evidence.

But thanks for demonstrating your lack of understanding.

Answer 7

and you cant prove there isnt a god, because everything point to there not being one. Ever think maybe the devil wants you to believe there is a god, so he can get you all to do twisted things in the name of that lord that actually please the devil? such as burning innocent people at the stake or starting wars? oh, and by that way, that bible has some pretty nasty stuff in it itself. Cutting of a womans hand if she tries to get a man to stop hitting her husband? Gawd. Give it a rest already. boo-hoo. you know what? there are always going to be people out there who have opposite views than you guys. seriously. Why are you so concerned about it? If you know what YOU believe in that should be enough for you. It kind of sounds like homophobia to me. Deep down are you questioning your god? and be honest with yourself here. what about non-believers has you so intrigued?

And that is hypocritical like the other poster said... "sources people please provide actual sources (common sense, life experience, or something similar are not good sources)" well. where the hell are your sources proving god is real? hmmmm. a simple belief or feeling within your own being and personal experience is not proof.

Fact is, we can not prove that he is real. we can not prove that he is not real. We must stick to what we believe in and let others stick to what they believe in.

Being mad at people just because they dont believe has lead to many senseless deaths and pathetic and harmful laws historically. cant you learn from the past?
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gimme a break! you do believ in god.... otherwise you wouldnt have been so pissy with athiest.... ha! and I can tell you are a christian... Why lie about it there? wouldn't your god hate that? sinner.

Answer 8

I fully support you, except that "bible being written 2000 years after Jesus" thing. Did you add an an extra 0 by mistake or something?

The books of the New Testament were all written in the first century AC.

Evolution is the best theory people could come up with in trying to explain life without the "God hypothesis". However, there's a problem with these mutations. In order for a species to mutate into another, important changes have to happen. But mutations are most of the time deforming and debilitating, and important mutations lead to the animal being sterile. If not sterile, it would have to meet a pair of the opposite sex which has undergone more or less the same mutations in order to perpetuate them to their offspring. My common sense combined with some rudimentary grasp of statistics tells me the probability for this to happen is close to zero.

In order to prove or disprove evolution one would have to master several scientific disciplines, from paleontology to genetics. However, I have this feeling that the most vocal propagandists of evolution are not in this position.

Answer 9

I've never heard anybody say the bible was written 2000 years after jesus, that means it would have been written in OUR lifetime, that's ridiculous if anyone claims that.

As for there being no counter-evidence, I will say there is no peer-reviewed "legitimate" scientific evidence against evolution.

If I must show you evidence, how about you show me some evidence of someone saying the bible was written a few decades ago first?

PS Nice one JAT! LOL

Answer 10

Actually the corrections are as follows:

Bible as we know it was compiled around 13-1500's(don't remember the exact date).
The writings in it seem to date back to between 50-300 years after he was supposed to die.(Speaking new testiment)

And if you can show actual evidence for anti-evolution it'd be a first, but I wanna know how you can show something that disproves something as general as a concept.
Talk origins is actually a good site for this, aside from a irritated tone any real science will be taken seriously.

Answer 11

There are idiots everywhere on both sides of the issue. I've only seen the "2000 years after" from one. I wouldn't categorize any group by the dumbest person on Y!A.

I am yet to see any counter-evidence to evolution. There are gaps, errors and unexplained data, but I'm yet to see anything vaguely resembling evidence against.