Is there any Biblical scripture that gives insight to the sufferings of Jews and Blacks?

Question

I am asking this question again but rewording it because I did not receive any satisfactory answers, and some people misunderstood my question or were offended. I am going to be very redundant in my wording as to be clear that my question is fully understood. If you don’t have any knowledge or insight into this topic or into biblical scripture please don’t answer the question:

I am quite aware that Blacks and Jews are not the ONLY groups that have suffered in the world. Every group, women, children, Native Americans, homosexuals etc. have been persecuted in this world. However the focus of my question is on Blacks and Jews in particular not because they are the only groups that have faced conflict but because they have faced it for the longest period of time and to greater extremes. Blacks and Jews are the only targets of hate that the Bible is not clear on. The Bible clearly explains why women are faced with the problems that we are. The Bible clearly explains why homosexuals are. The bible is clear on Muslims as well. But I have not found any clear explanation on the suffering of Blacks and Jews. Jews have been the most hated and persecuted of all people in the history of man and have faced this hatred and persecution longer than any other group. Jews have faced slavery, genocide, anti Semitism.
Blacks are second on the list of human suffering with slavery, discrimination, hatred, disease, poverty. My question is not necessarily in reference to American Jews or American Blacks either. Jews in America have had tremendous success and are generally accepted in our society. American Blacks have gained civil rights and are also becoming successful and are generally accepted in American society. The question is in more in reference to the persecution of Jews throughout history and presently in Israel and Palestine etc. And in reference to Blacks in Africa who are dying in enormous numbers from poverty, are the fastest growing victims of AIDS, and are constantly facing war and genocide.
So what I would like to know is if anyone has knowledge of any Biblical Scripture that gives insight into the suffering of these two groups. I have heard some theories but have not been satisfied by them. For some reason people are not comfortable with this issue and there is not much information on it. I don’t feel it is a racist question or an unreasonable one. I was called illogical for asking this but it is very logical to me. If you think the question is silly DON”T ANSWER IT!
The Bible is supposed to be our instruction manual on life and it pretty much gives insight on all issues but this subject no one wants to speak on. Why, I don’t know. I have heard some theories regarding black people i.e. Curse of Ham, Mark of Cain etc. but no one has been able to validate them. I have not heard much about the plight of Jews. Enlighten me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews#Population_changes:_Wars_against_the_Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews#Persecution

Some theories that I have heard before, but no one has ever validated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain#Mark_of_Cain

Answer 1

Jews have always been persecuted because they are known to be and claim to be God's chosen people. Anyone claiming to be a servant and follower of God will be persecuted. True Christianity has always been persecuted also. I am not talking about the variations of Roman denominations out there that are teaching false beliefs centered around money and just calling it christianity. True Christianity results in extreme persecution and usually arrests and death.
the Jews have throughout the Bible been blessed of God when serving Him. On the opposite God crushes them when they rebel and many times the Bible tells us that God raised up wicked rulers such as Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar to destroy and enslave the Jews.
Regarding the blacks. The things you list such as poverty, disease and Aids are not forms of persecution but of self destruction or possibly the wrath of God. it is not others destroying them but themselves. Countries (like America)contantly come to their aid and give them food and money but most of it is stolen by corrupt government officials that then use it to buy weapons to kill their ownkind.

Read Gen. 9:20-10:9 through this section you will see Noahs descendants being blessed and cursed. Shem and Japeth covered their drunk father and didn't look at him. Shem became the father of the Israelites and Japeth became the tart of the gentile races. Now Ham who was the father of Canaan whose descendants inhabited Africa apparently thought seeing his father drunk and naked was funny and went and told the others about it. I have heard many state that he performed a homosexual act while his father was passed out but this comes from non biblical writings and I don't give them much creed. Anyway the Bible states that Ham and his race (blacks) would be servants of servants, the lowest of the low. Ths would explain the slavery, unstable governments, poverty and reliance for support from others. A curse for all time ?
I believe that it is due to their (blacks and Jews) rebellious nature and spirits that God has held them down so that some of them would turn to Him as their God. This has been known as the time of the Gentiles. God has used the Gentiles to punish the Jews and Blacks for their lack of faith in God. Biblically and worldwide we see though that the time of the Gentiles is nearing its end. The Gentiles, though used of God , have become proud and arrogant and worshipers of money and material possesions. Though many sit in church and claim they are christians, they follow a corrupt greedy religion that is an abomination to God. Their days are numbered and God shall rise up a Beast that shall be the next powerful group, possibly the Muslims ?

Deuteronomy 28:32 is a curse of God against the Jews causing their children to inter-racially mix. Could this curse be applied today to all three racial groups mentioned ? I think so.

My statements about Jews, Blacks, and Gentiles are general assumptions and I realize they are many out of each group that are good Godly people. So do not take anything I have written as racist or hateful. I am not even sure which of the three groups I would be classified in. I hope this helps and gives you a viewpoint to ponder.

Best Wishes.

Answer 2

Jesus made it clear that if anybody loves God (including and especially Jews) they will be hated by the world. Part of it is they were Gods chosen people and many people have a problem with that.

More specifically though they are hated most by Muslims universally just for their very existence. You see Islam from the beginning was intolerant and violent towards Jews. Muhammad himself exiled a Jewish tribe and slaughtered another! Judaism is the chief rival of Islam and forever will be. They both lay claim to the same God and both lay claim to the same land. Explosive combination if I may make use of a pun!

The hatred towards blacks is a whole different issue. One could argue that black culture hasnt evolved a whole lot so to speak and that they have not been at the epicenter of any major cultural shifts such as the enlightenment or reformation. Many believe based on this that they are an inferior race compared to the rest of humanity but that really is a more a totalitarian nazi perspective.

I would simply have to say that traditionally in general they have been at the wrong places at the wrong time and a lot of prosperity has passed them by. Likewise it doesnt help when when the most powerful nations in the world regarded them at worst as animals and at best as an inferior underclass of laborers. One could argue quite convincingly that until 1865 and beyond even, blacks have been held at a disadvantage but that simply isnt the case today. In a modern western society the educated black or hispanic can go every bit as far as their white counterpart.

Answer 3

There is no race that is singled out for suffering. It may seem as though there is. The first scripture that came to my mind was Ecclesiastes 8:9. It says, "All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury." Because of greed and hatred, humans have done this, 'dominated others to their injury'

The Bible does tell why there is so much suffering world wide. I will include a link that discusses this topic, as well as words of comfort, and a positive hope for the future.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2003/1/1/article_02.htm

Answer 4

Actually the theories I have heard about the mark of Cain were about White skin, since the people of the region would have had darker skin. These theories also go into how every culture that has had contact with white people has suffered because of it.

The reason for this persecution is because of Christianity. Christianity was supposed to spread. All of those who were not Christian were considered swine. "Do not case pearl before swine." Famous quote by Jesus. Since Africans, historically, were not Christian they were seen as ignorant and it was felt that they needed to be taught Christianity. In those days it was better to loose you physical life learning Christianity if it would save your soul. The social make-up of African society was different than the European make-up so with their "heathen" religions they had "heathen" lifestyles. The problem with this is that the lifestyle was adapted to the environment. Have you observed animals in Africa? They live in small communities because it allows them to best take advangage of the land's resources. In Europe farming was easier and it makes more sense to live in villages and share resources. These villages eventually turned into larger towns. In Africa you had to be able to migrate to follow the animals so it made sense to live in that manner. Europeans didn't understand that and wanted to change it.

In short, the Bible never addressed the issue of how to treat people equally. It just taught you how to not harm each other. However, it did leave leeway for bigotry and violence in an attempt to spread the religion.

Answer 5

isaiah 53 is a good one. as for blacks, not really, except for the fact that jews would probably originally have been dark-skinned for the most part. but in regards to the suffering of the specific group of african black people you mean, there is none that i have seen, but thats not really a surprise because the scriptures are focussed on the plight of the jews.

Answer 6

Sorry about my poor explanation, English is not my mother tongue,
but Jews in the Bible are "The chosen people" so, what are you trying to prove arguing that the Bible tell us the story of a humiliate people when is exactly backguards? The problem of Black people is another history.

Answer 7

There is a very interesting talk on the subject of racial suffering

from the National conferences of Suffering and the Sovereignty of God

here is a link where you could listen if you like
The Sovereignty of God and Ethnic-based Suffering
Carl Ellis

I thought he made some really good points I never thought of

Answer 8

Everyone suffers in this world now, back then and in the future, suffering does not discriminate, the only thing that changes is the severity of the suffering, how many facts of people suffering have not been written down in history? Suffering for suffering sake is absurd, but having a meaning to your suffering is worthwhile. when you suffer turn to GOD.

Jesus is the truth, the way and the life!

Answer 9

You've got to remember that God's people turned from him. Look at many "Jews" today. In America for example. It is not a love for God, but a culture. Like being Italian or being Irish. Hanukkah "gelt", Mel Brooke's movies

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/Film/Film_TO/Filmmakers/MelBrooks.htm

and business/social contacts and marriage all surround Judaism. Did You know at Sunday school, many "Jewish" children aren't even taught Hebrew. Just how to pronounce the words. It is an Identity. Not the love of the One and Only God. Not his laws and Commands. Not the way the Israelites where taught to live under Moses.

And Judah is just one tribe. Who knows what happened to the others.

Read Isaiah and Jeremiah. Look how much Israel turned from God. Read in Isiah 58 for example how God feels.

So possibly this is Gods wrath on these people who claim to be Jews but are not.

EVIL EVIL EVIL, mind you , the holocaust. Worth countless tears.

But God uses evil for Good. This is how he is always in control. Like Katrina seems evil to many. But look at the cleansing. No parades that rejoice in sin. If people decide to continue to have them, well, they have been warned.

As far as Africa, I don't know. Biblically, I have heard the curse of Ham idea. I have no thoughts on it. It is despicable what has happened to African Americans particularly in this country.

Answer 10

Yes you will find biblical scripture that gives insight to the sufferings of Jews after all they wrote it and a Jewish person has no color boundary, meaning there are black Jews.
Gentile blacks you will not find biblical scripture that gives insight to the sufferings.